Train 4 Trade Skills

[heinz57]

Hey Heinz, is 57 your IQ?

Our training includes a comprehensive section of business training so we dont have to look for a job, or rely on others. The purpose is to get us starting our own business by being self employed. You obviously know nothing about the course or what it involves. Sorry, but your downer attitude is typical, maybe your life is negative but keep it to yourself eh?

To some the pint pot is half full, to some its half empty but negative people like you seem to just want to take away the pot from others.

"Our training" Are you an employee of train4trade skills? Sure sounds like it! Im laughing for so many reasons and you'll find out why when you get out there into customers homes. Your ignorance is staggering, they have reeled you right in and you have fallen for their BS hook line and sinker. I think its bad how you've been conned and when you go out there self employed you'll know it too. The amount of fast trackers that get kicked off jobs is staggering and no i don't think its funny but all i see is people like you making a balls up. Have you got £10000 ready for your self employed adventure? I spoke to a guy who did his fast track course, he was taken aside with the other boys and was told to do a CV, this five minute conversation was the "business advice" so good luck with that. As for my iq, it was 147 in college, thats doctor standard baby so maybe i'll go and do a fast track brain surgery course and you can be my first patient!

 

[fuzzy]

People want to believe that fast track courses are great and lucrative at the end. Employees or owners of private companies will have you believe its a positive attitude that wins the day.

The reality is somewhat different, but if you point this out your likely to be called 'negative'. Well if all these people belive the positive frame of mind wins the day pay out your money and good luck to you. I hope for yourselves it works out, the stats suggest otherwise.

dont believe something to be true just because someone said it was

 

[truemanufan]

Don't get me wrong I am not so naive onto thinking that once I have finished my course I am going to be fine working all in my own self employed! I am going to try and get a job with a company or plumber for some years to come because I know you can't learn everything from practical and written exams!!!!

 

[plumbobjohnson]

So sorry to hear your dreams of being in the medical proffession were dashed but so glad you didnt choose to be a doctor heinz, championing a training style that favours learning from your mistakes in the field. I can just see you in surgery going oops. Dont believe your generalisations let alone your IQ. Just sticking up for the guys like me who do the course at southampton. Fuzzy has a good point for both sides of the debate;

"dont believe something to be true just because someone said it was"

Likewise dont believe people like you who knock training courses just because they dont like them themselves, its each to their own and i needed to keep working as well as training so the style was ideal for me. You dont know the content or the methods of training so your opinion is baseless. If you had done the same course I am going through and your opinion was based on personal experience then I would value your opinion. You havent so I dont. So it doesnt take a brain surgeon to recognise you are just someone with an inflated sense of your own importance, like people should listen only to you. I am already getting work coming in self employed, only stuff like radiators and bathroom fits, but i am on a secondary income of about £220 working my weekends. Might be best in your life to stick to what you know yourself not pass opinion on something you know nothing about. Your life must be very sad. Spare us the benefit of your less than valuable opinion and stick to what you know not what you want others to THINK you know. "Doctor standard baby" my ar*e, more like the janitor.

 

[fuzzy]

Good luck trying to find a job in this climate once you all finish ya 20 day training courses, try explaining to an employer while your better than a bloke who's done a 3 year hands on apprenticeship.

3 year? mine was 4 also all the ones ive ever been invloved with have been 4.

others, make your own mind up, which route is right for you, just dont believe that there is a good living out there just waiting for you, not that you cannot achieve it, just that it isnt likely, some will make it and some wont, do it for the right rreasons and it was the right choice regardless

fuzz

 

[plumber2b]

Hi everyone! Let me introduce myself, I'm on the T4TS course, C&G 6129 Level 2 & 3. Started in April this year & I've just completed
mod24. I haven't been on any practicals yet, because just before I passed mod12 I got a letter telling me only after I reached the minimum payment of 1300. Now I've completed mod24 and a couple of days ago I got another letter letting me know to go to 3rd & 4th practical week I have to reach 1600 at least. Called them up and found can only finish the course after the full payment is made.
To be honest I'm not going to moan too much, they gave me the chance to go on this course where others refused due to my bad credit. The course is what it says on the tin. The study material is quite good and with my input and positivity I can't see how I can fail to better my life and family.
Call me sad, but I've read all posted messages in here since 2008, a lot of negative feedback but there is a lot of positive ones as well. I chose to get on with it and be positive. In my opinion T4TS are like other course providers but at least they gave me this oppurtunity and I'm going to make the most of it. GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL !!
Sorry this was so long I want do it again. Angelo

 

[fuzzy]

there is no C&G 6129 level 1? Have they even told you what your doing for your money?

 

[TC.]

its worrying how many of these fast trackers post on here thinking they can solve the biggest problem with just 8 weeks of training or ten weeks or however long these various courses tend to last.

and i know they are learning the same curriculum as we all have that did the 6129 but they are not getting it to the same standard. it is rushed!

i will never employ a fast tracker, one cos i dont kno his skills and two my apprentice is more handy to have as he is bright he knows his trade and before any of you naysayers tell me im not paying him enough i pay him a weekly wage of £400. i trust him to do the job without any mistakes, if he does he sorts them, not only that the boy learns real quick, he is an asset to my company, and im already taking applications for my next one, to replace my current one when he wants to go solo next year.

i know he is time served and trained properly to deal with the nightmare jobs and to not screw a job up cos he has that valuable expereience and learnt his trade over 4 years. in that time he has learnt from difficult jobs we have had to deal with, seen me struggle to keep the money coming in during the tight times.

i just dont think you get that with this type of course that is often bandied about the place. Good luck to all of you, but you are taking a big big risk. i for one wouldnt be wanting to pay thousands. i remember my apprenticship, i paid for it at the time, £500 per year, that is the true cost of a course, not these over inflated prices.

Im so glad that C&G are bringing in thi diploma as it might just might put a stop to these private centres misleading people over what they can actually do.

The new diploma will require you to be in employment before you can start it with someone who is already qualified i have been told (so i stand to be corrected)

 

[plumber2b]

ff

there is no C&G 6129 level 1? Have they even told you what your doing for your money?

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 NVQ L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 NVQ L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

 

[TC.]

ff

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

good at least you know where you are going and whre you have been, lots of posters on here (rad the threads) come on with the attitude that they will be fully qual'ed inc experience and be able to take on the world, sadly thats not the case and many of them go back to their other job full time. the stats show it all!!

i wish you the best of luck as its a dog eat dog world out their.

 

[fuzzy]

ff

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

So no NVQ then?

 

[Apache]

Re: train 4 trade skills scenario 4

hi

i see you are on senario 4, any tips on how to complte senario 1? thanks, apache

 

[fuzzy]

People say they have researched this in detail then get confused over the levels and types of qualification on offer. I think 'research' is more than often a case of talking to salespeople err i mean advisor's.
Both quals are 2 years out of date anyway, very old hat and a large cost, government are putting all money into apprentices at all ages so why would people pay all this money on an outgoing qual? Didn't the research pick that up?

 

[csbrown]

We are struggling to get hold of T4TS. They came round to speak to my husband about the course. Rang to follow up but he hadnt made a decision so he said he would call back. He hasnt and now we cant get hold of them. Rang the call centre and they couldnt help. All we can do is go on a database for info to be sent. Has anyone got a phone number to enrol?

Thanks

 

[fuzzy]

how would it feel if you had joined them and paid?

 

[macdave1]

Stay away from them,its all bull***t.

 

[PEMBO]

I had someone who came to visit me yesterday, I was all up for it,sold it to me very well and sounded to good to be true.

I was due a second visit this evening, but after reading all this I canx straight away, so looks like ive saved some money.

Thanks

 

[truemanufan]

I had someone who came to visit me yesterday, I was all up for it,sold it to me very well and sounded to good to be true.

I was due a second visit this evening, but after reading all this I canx straight away, so looks like ive saved some money.

Thanks

Not always as bad as everyone makes out mate! I doin t4ts course and I think it's fine! Not been mis sold one thing and I getin level 2+3 tech cert and this leads on to nvq 2+3 best thing I have done!

 

[fuzzy]

Not always as bad as everyone makes out mate! I doin t4ts course and I think it's fine! Not been mis sold one thing and I getin level 2+3 tech cert and this leads on to nvq 2+3 best thing I have done!

did they tell you the quals you are on are out of date?

 

[truemanufan]

To be honest fuzzy I started b4 they went out of date and whilst at jtl which is the main training provider they said the quals just bein super seeded? Basically they still recognised but u can't enrol as new from this september

 

[mduell12]

Re: t4t skills

i tryrd 2 do the cold water system check clicked on every thing under the sink but not leting me do it done every thing els just the system check doing me head in know lyk can u help out

 

[fuzzy]

To be honest fuzzy I started b4 they went out of date and whilst at jtl which is the main training provider they said the quals just bein super seeded? Basically they still recognised but u can't enrol as new from this september

so u doing this with jtl or t4ts?

 

[truemanufan]

so u doing this with jtl or t4ts?

All assesments are by jtl course material from t4ts

 

[fuzzy]

who do you pay and enrol with?

 

[truemanufan]

who do you pay and enrol with?

T4ts! Why?

 

[fuzzy]

coz its an odd set up, you enrol and pay t4ts and they pay jtl to do the on site assessments.

 

[truemanufan]

coz its an odd set up, you enrol and pay t4ts and they pay jtl to do the on site assessments.

Yeah a bit strange considering all the paperwork and workbooks are supplied by jtl! Sorry when I said practical work I meant atl! Typo! Very good training though

 

[Bill]

I've nearly finished a T4TS plumbing course. My advice to anyone taking this up is to take your time with learning and also always ask others for advice on things that don't sink in. I have a friend who started the course the same time as me and finished it in about 8months, problem being is that he doesn't actually know anything and frequently rings me for advice, and I'm not even qualified yet.
If you do decide you want to be a plumber and you have a mortgage and all that bollox this is a good way of getting into it. But it ain't cheap and you reallly need to be willing to start up on your own once you have finished. I'd even go on to say make sure you check all the options available too you before making the decision to go with these guys, you may find there's other options which would suit you better. I did T4TS because my local college doesn't do a plumbing course.
One last thing if you do it this way be prepared to learn a lot of lessons after you have finished, see it as like when you passed your driving test, you may be able to drive but you've got a lot of driving to do before you become good at it.

 

[Backboiler]

Re: t4t skills

i tryrd 2 do the cold water system check clicked on every thing under the sink but not leting me do it done every thing els just the system check doing me head in know lyk can u help out

Explore further under the sink to the extreme left where you will find two washing machine connection taps

 

[gillf]

Hi Guys.

Is it worth doing the train 4 trade course? I'm really interested in becoming a plumber but have read mixed reviews? Any plumbers out there that would take someone on who'd done the course.
Also do you get all the qualifications you need?

 

[gillf]

Cheers. So what exactly do I need? Can you reccomend anywhere to train. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[fuzzy]

how can a centre only be registered for the 6129 and not the nvq 6089!!! 6129 is only half the qual!

 

[quality]

6127 9836 7428 what ever

any ? be it this or any other - if you follow the road for long enough as an apprentice or not it becomes your road, like it or not its your road , its what you do. either way to be any good you have to know when you can and know when you can not.

If you know all the answers.

You don't know all the questions

rant over

 

[fuzzy]

they shouldnt be allowed to only offer the 6129 because it isnt a full qual, it misleads people into think they are qualified, how often do you hear people say they have their city and guilds, it could be anything! doesnt mean its a worthwhile qual.

roads??? we are on about quals, someone who does it without the quals is a plummbers mate, like it or o your a plumbers mate ie. unqualified

 

[STEFANOS4784]

I am glad I found this thread particularly because I first registered to reply to another thread on the forum from someone who says their name is joanna calling t4ts a scam. I have seen lots of similar postings on various boards and forums as the starter to new threads all using similar phrases. Most, I reckon are nothing more than spoof postings from people with an agenda, maybe even a bit of stirring from rival companies. My experiences with this company (got nvq2, into gas on nvq3) have been totally different from the impressions given by these posters. The stuff I read and the claims made are just idiotic. Take a look at some of them and ask yourselves "is that right or might they just be less bright than they thought they were or just looking for an excuse to back out because money got tighter?"
Check them out and make your own mind up on the validity but base it on the facts. The company responds to enquiries so someone must have requested details either from a flyer, tv advert, jobsearch site or jobcentre. I found them on totaljobs. Then they will have had a phone call to check if enquiry genuine and a few questions are asked before deciding if an appointment is needed to give details of course and to check if the person is suitable. At the interview stage I was asked all sorts of questions about my motivations and reasons to want to be a plumber, what i was doing, looking for workwise, what my plans were if i got the course and a good amount of detail to make sure i really wanted to change my direction in life by retraining. Then the guy explained how the studies were done so i could decide if the training methods suited me. I saw a dvd showing me the facilities and the 3d software. Then, when I said it looked right for me he explained prices and explained how the funding worked. I knew how much in total, at zero percent, how much a month and over how long. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. When i agreed to go ahead (two days later after researching) I gave details for a credit search but since i was unemployed i couldnt expect a main bank to help so i was accepted by another provider who still took me on to help me even though my rating was fairly poor. Couldnt have done it otherwise and certainly not in one go. Paid my registration fee of £100 and got my course starter. Havent looked back, good support, easy way to get the same qualifications as college but to nvq3 which they dont do at a normal college. NO CON NO SCAM

As a 26 yr old man i was looking into this. I must say, however, that you are the most blatent jobsworth employee or maybe higher up? Anyway i will read on tomorrow but just read that and thought what a D£$% so thought i'd register lol.

 

[fuzzy]

dont do nvq3 at a college? are you mad? of course they do, i have several colleges within a 30minles radius all of which do l3, gas, water regs etc etc

 

[lee212]

hi,i believe i have been mis sold a plumbing course with t4ts,i wrote them a letter bout this n that they've replied with there own letter and a copy of the credit agreement and after looking at the one i have to the the one they sent i can see they have forged a signature onto there's thats not on my original copy,could some1 please tell me what rights i have about this,if i have any?

 

[mrsPlumb]

I've nearly finished a T4TS plumbing course. My advice to anyone taking this up is to take your time with learning and also always ask others for advice on things that don't sink in. I have a friend who started the course the same time as me and finished it in about 8months, problem being is that he doesn't actually know anything and frequently rings me for advice, and I'm not even qualified yet.
If you do decide you want to be a plumber and you have a mortgage and all that bollox this is a good way of getting into it. But it ain't cheap and you reallly need to be willing to start up on your own once you have finished. I'd even go on to say make sure you check all the options available too you before making the decision to go with these guys, you may find there's other options which would suit you better. I did T4TS because my local college doesn't do a plumbing course.
One last thing if you do it this way be prepared to learn a lot of lessons after you have finished, see it as like when you passed your driving test, you may be able to drive but you've got a lot of driving to do before you become good at it.

Totally agree!

I started this course in April 2009, and like anyone, had some reservations regarding t4ts as a company and whether I had done the right thing. One thing however is, I never entered in to it under any illusion it was a fast track or quick fix to my Plumbing career. There is no doubt that hard work and discipline is required to get through the material. Especially when I am trying to do this around a 1yr old and a 4yr old! It takes organisation and determination. Particuarly as there is quite a lot of theory to get through before you even put your hands on any tools.
The course, in my opinion gives you the foundations and rightly said that you will only start to learn once you get out there.
Admittedly I am only a 3rd of the way through due to my family committments (would have liked to have been two 3rd's through by now) and am due to attend my first 2 weeks practical next week. I guess that will be where I make my final judgements on t4ts as a company. Its one thing talking on the phone and another seeing for myself!
Some of the diagrams in the books are a bit naf, and plenty of typing errors but the message is till getting through!
I also looked at college but it was restrictive and split up in too many sections.
I am luckier than most in that I have the support of a husband working full time an earning well, so my income wil be a bonus, allowing me the freedom to establish myself slowly and correctly.
I have spoken to local plumbers who are very supportive, and positive there is plenty of work out there 'if you want it'. I have also offered as a kind of labourer/junior with no pay initially just to help me get a bit of hands on and this has also been welcomed.
As far as t4ts as a company so far (and I can be a harsh critic) they seem good. Although I would like maybe a quartly or half yearly call from someone just to show a bit of support and interest in me as an individual. And someone does need to address the typing and quality of the diagram in the books! And for the 3d scenarios, they are a little tedious to say the least. Nothing like the real thing really.
Despite this, I am still very positive and looking to the future. I am hoping to complete my assessments etc by this time next year, but thats the good thing about it being at your own pace....
mrsPlumb

 

[fuzzy]

what was mis sold?

 

[lee212]

everything,the whole course just seems like a scam!.the bloke who comes round is just a hard seller and makes out the course is gonna be the best thing i can do,when infact its just a pile of crap,plus they neva sent a 2nd copy of the cancelation rights like they say and i've asked for some proof of posting but not heard anything yet.

 

[simondjuk]

Has anyone else received a letter asking them to pay an additional £1000 to complete the first part of the course?

Apparently this is to cover new regulations introduced in August 2009. And considering its now April 2011, why has it taken around 18 months to bother to tell me?

Needless to say, they have a letter of complaint on the way asking for a full refund

Not holding much hope for my money back but im going to give it a damn good try

 

[mrsPlumb]

Definitely not had a letter and if they did get one there is not much hope of them getting it!

 

[Padam442]

Hi Bill, hope by now you have you finished your T4TS plumbing course. Could you please give some advice on this as I am about to go for my first 2 weeks practical training at Southhampton.

 

[Jon03]

I signed up with T4TS last year and was missold the course, the course i thought i was signing up for does not exist and T4TS have basically said tough luck!!!! I can not cancel the course and now have been passed to a debt company by Barclays as am not paying the £135 a month.
Anyone in the same boat or have any advice.

 

[TC.]

if you feel you have been mis sold the course then this may be false representation as set out under the Misrepresentation Act 1967 s2 (1) innocent misrep, or it may have been made fraudulently - s2 (2) if fraudulent then the Fraud Act 2006 will also apply!

 

[Gray0689]

Agree with TC
time you got legal advice mate

 

[tiling spread]

Well the job i do at the moment i have done for 8 years and this year i have had very little work coming in and i have went from around £20,000 per year to around £12,000. Plumbing has always been something i have wanted to do but think now with my work the way it is would be a great time to do it.

The guy who gave me the interview says at the end i would get a NVQ level 1 and 2. Sorry if that information is wrong im just going by what i was told in the interview.

was it a oldish guy in a suit and asked you too play a dvd
and wanted cash allmost on the spot soo he can leave you with the first part of the course lol
same guy came and see me

 

[Jon03]

was it a oldish guy in a suit and asked you too play a dvd
and wanted cash allmost on the spot soo he can leave you with the first part of the course lol
same guy came and see me

Yeah was an oldish bloke called Michael, he told me was only 1 place left on the course and to secure my place i would have to pay £100 and sign the paperwork!!!!

 

[fuzzy]

typical sales technique

 

[zakswfc]

Hi,
I have complete 2 years at college completing city and guilds level 1 & 2. For me to get on to level three I am required to find an apprenticeship and complete so many hours. I am unable to find an apprenticeship after 12months of searching. I have enquired about this Train 4 trade skills and they have said i can go straight on to there course from level 2 costin £5000 which they believe I can complete in 15months and be fully qualified. and NVQ Level 3.
Can anyone suggest what I should do?