How to solder vertical joints

[Best]

Have a laugh at this video teaching you how to solder a vertical joint properly.
Amazing how some people are so confident and think they can use their expertise to enlighten others.
Seems I have been doing it all wrong. :smile:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHjFOTGueQc

 

[gasmanrob]

A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing!

 

[Meady]

Wouldn't you start at the top and let the solder run down the inside of the fitting?

 

[Chalked]

Cooling it and knocking it like that will make it leak!

I didn't realise you had to use "sodder" And I've been using solder all this time!

 

[PlumbBobBob]

and he used too much "sodder" as well, which he needed to do as he had melted all the flux

 

[Riley]

I'm not sure what this teaches us?

 

[Riley]

Other than not to solder like this

 

[leelister6]

I could teach a drunk chimp to 'sodder' better than that in about 30 seconds. It's embarrasing how proud he sounds as well!

 

[chris watkins]

I think the trouble is you guys have not realised that he is doing American soft soldering, not at all like the British kind, completely different.

As we all know Americans do everything bigger and better than anyone else.

 

[leelister6]

I think the trouble is you guys have not realised that he is doing American soft soldering, not at all like the British kind, completely different.

As we all know Americans do everything bigger and better than anyone else.

Yeh, a lot bigger snotters running down pipe for a start!!

 

[Stigster]

I know he was talking as he was going but once he turned his torch on, if it'd been hot enough, that should have been a 15 second operation. Way to make a meal of that!

 

[gassafe]

He could have brazed that coupler with that heat!! He must go through lots of solder, I bet he wonders why he still gets leaks lol!

 

[markadams]

That is the worst soldering I have ever seen

 

[Fallon1982]

hahaha that is hurrendous soldering. Thanks for the video mate. Certainly made me chuckle!! haha

 

[Best]

hahaha that is hurrendous soldering. Thanks for the video mate. Certainly made me chuckle!! haha

I just had to share the video! I also had to laugh when I saw it. I expected him to at the very least clean the joint up a bit & give it a final touch of heat. He definitely broke that joint as he give it a good battering as he prodded it.

 

[LaMont5way]

Only in America. Why on earth would you feed the solder from the bottom.

 

[REDSAW]

is sodder the one without the L lead?

 

[jldplumb]

I like how the pipe wasn't even pushed into fitting fully and then it drops in as he starts heating it lol.
2:09 incase you missed it

 

[solutions]

I like how the pipe wasn't even pushed into fitting fully and then it drops in as he starts heating it lol.
2:09 incase you missed it

Yeah I spotted that. Flux must have bound the pipe in the fitting till it got hot. Powerflow flux grips pipe something awful sometimes almost to the point of not being able to assemble the joint. Never had it happen with laco,but I prefer how Powerflow makes the solder run.
I think he must have been trying to make a point or illustrate capillary action at work by feeding from the bottom, either that or hes a moron. With most of these you tube vids you would think filming was really expensive as no one seems to re shoot there vids if they poop it. If you watched that vid back surely you would think "well that was kak better do it again" have to assume he thought it was great or didnt watch it after shooting it.

 

[Best]

I think he must have been trying to make a point or illustrate capillary action at work by feeding from the bottom, either that or hes a moron. With most of these you tube vids you would think filming was really expensive as no one seems to re shoot there vids if they poop it. If you watched that vid back surely you would think "well that was kak better do it again" have to assume he thought it was great or didnt watch it after shooting it.

He actually wiped it (more accurately, broke it) and then proudly showed it to the camera all around the joint with the solder still run down the pipe. He obviously hasn't a clue. He could have started soldering that joint in a few seconds with all that heat from his propane torch.
An occasional dab of flux on end of solder wire would help solder it better & show if solder is at melt point IMO.
People should all give a comment to his video.
Although frankly most plumbers can't solder properly

 

[Staffy85]

haha knew this was going to be american! Sodder , do you think if "solder" was written out for them they would still say sodder?, like what part of the L dont they get?!

 

[Deleted member 25704]

An English demo of end-feed soldering whilst on the job:

https://www.************/cityplymplumbing/posts/535464623276294

 

[Stigster]

Applying the solder at the back is a good sign. He did that joint perfectly. No fuss, no waving the torch about, a nice quick application of solder at the right point. Note how he made the whole video in the time the American guy took to just heat the pipe!

 

[gmartine]

What do you guys use as a guide to say you've used enough sodder per joint...when you visibly see that the solder has capillary'd around the whole fitting or amount of solder? I tried using diameter of fitting as a guide for a while but found it was too much...15mm of solder for a 15mm fitting etc.

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I always do vertical soldering from round the back then you can see it ring around the front

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

What do you guys use as a guide to say you've used enough sodder per joint...when you visibly see that the solder has capillary'd around the whole fitting or amount of solder? I tried using diameter of fitting as a guide for a while but found it was too much...15mm of solder for a 15mm fitting etc.

I don't have a guide. If you have 5-6 joints to solder at once then how would you measure that? Just do it by feel and eye.

 

[gmartine]

You could put kinks in the solder, each kink approximate to the length/amount you want to use.

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

You could put kinks in the solder, each kink approximate to the length/amount you want to use.

Lol! Your joking right? Why would there be a need to. Use your eyes. When you have a silver ring it's done. I get a feeling your not a plumber pal

 

[AlexGas]

Here's his Part 1 video.
This dude is full of flux!!! It's just painful!!!

[video=youtube;tUaHQwCK_ls]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaHQwCK_ls[/video]

 

[Best]

He doesn't get any better! He still is "Sod ering"
What a long time to solder two joints of a 22mm tee! And it is a mess.
The idiot didn't solder the branch because it is vertical - and he has the cheek to say it risks a bad joint!
Funny bit is he called an " instruction video " ! :smile: Silly Soder.
In my opinion he should also have moved the flame around a little - especially as he had plenty of room. Using the flame hard on one spot of the fitting risks a hot spot not soldering as flux burns away & not even heat.

 

[jaydebruyne]

An English demo of end-feed soldering whilst on the job:

https://www.************/cityplymplumbing/posts/535464623276294

I'm not ashamed to admit this, but I've never seen soldering done like this - I was taught to run the solder all around the joint and use about a diameter worth of solder.

I know I'm not great at soldering, I think there is a skill to getting it right .. goddamn it his joints look amazing! So after you've heated the pipe you just hold the solder in one spot and let science )capillary action) do its thing? I'm DEFO gonna try that!!!

As for the yank - blow me even my joints don't have bogies like that!! Biggest greenies I've EVER seen in m'life!

 

[Best]

I'm not ashamed to admit this, but I've never seen soldering done like this - I was taught to run the solder all around the joint and use about a diameter worth of solder.

I know I'm not great at soldering, I think there is a skill to getting it right .. goddamn it his joints look amazing! So after you've heated the pipe you just hold the solder in one spot and let science )capillary action) do its thing? I'm DEFO gonna try that!!!

As for the yank - blow me even my joints don't have bogies like that!! Biggest greenies I've EVER seen in m'life!

Remember that capillary action will take place no problem if heat is enough all around the fitting and flux is there. While solder can stay liquid it will go all around the inside of joint.
I still believe in doing minimum of each side of a fitting or whole way around it, just to be sure.
I prefer to use a rag to wipe the joints on leaded solder, but with unleaded it is harder to do & I try to be careful just getting it spot on first time. On Yorksire fittings you are really just supposed to gently heat them until a neat ring of solder appears. Guess most of us add a bit of solder. Habits are hard to break.

 

[jaydebruyne]

Remember that capillary action will take place no problem if heat is enough all around the fitting and flux is there. While solder can stay liquid it will go all around the inside of joint.
I still believe in doing minimum of each side of a fitting or whole way around it, just to be sure.
I prefer to use a rag to wipe the joints on leaded solder, but with unleaded it is harder to do & I try to be careful just getting it spot on first time. On Yorksire fittings you are really just supposed to gently heat them until a neat ring of solder appears. Guess most of us add a bit of solder. Habits are hard to break.

Do you/anyone brush a bit of flux around the fitting once you've applied the solder? The guy I shadowed does it and his joints are always neat and leak free - but when I tried it a couple times I think I end up making holes in the solder and then have to redo it :/

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Do you/anyone brush a bit of flux around the fitting once you've applied the solder? The guy I shadowed does it and his joints are always neat and leak free - but when I tried it a couple times I think I end up making holes in the solder and then have to redo it :/

normally about 10-15 secs after soldering saves wire wooling it after-wards

 

[jaydebruyne]

normally about 10-15 secs after soldering saves wire wooling it after-wards

Ahh, I think I've been doing it too soon then, soon as I've put the solder on I turn off my torch and brush the flux over it..

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ahh, I think I've been doing it too soon then, soon as I've put the solder on I turn off my torch and brush the flux over it..

you should see the solder turn dull then wipe/add a tiny bit off the brush and then whipe the whole joint with a damp rag/cloth and done

 

[Best]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

the solder will tell you when its cool/ ready to be wiped it will turn dull which is the solder cooling off and hardening

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

Best. You are old school as I am. These newbies get a angle finder out to bend pipe. Then wonder why there not earning any money

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

Just leave it alone for a few mins and wipe it later. I know when it's soldered right and always confident of the joint. It's the odd compression fitting that worries me more.

 

[Best]

the solder will tell you when its cool/ ready to be wiped it will turn dull which is the solder cooling off and hardening

I know that! :smile: Been wiping soldered joints forever.
I usually only wipe them while the solder is still liquid as I keep the torch topping the heat up if needed. I will not wipe or move a joint without giving it a final heat & I won't touch it until it's hard. I basically do it like a lead pipe joint. Obviously I try to do lead free soldering with little or no wiping as it is difficult to work with

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I don't touch it at all for about a minute or so then wipe it over. It's only soldering a joint. You just know if it's right as it gives you a very visual marker by a nice silver ring.

 

[jaydebruyne]

Best. You are old school as I am. These newbies get a angle finder out to bend pipe. Then wonder why there not earning any money

Us newbies can only do as we're taught, until we get taught better by old school folk like yourselves on here

 

[Best]

Best. You are old school as I am. These newbies get a angle finder out to bend pipe. Then wonder why there not earning any money

I use grease based traditional flux which is gentle on the pipe & lets the solder flow well. I try not to overheat the fitting - so all it needs is a rub over with a rag to remove flux when cool & perhaps a shine up with steel wool. Yes, I am old school, :smile: but my plumbing just is built to give no trouble.

 

[Best]

I don't touch it at all for about a minute or so then wipe it over. It's only soldering a joint. You just know if it's right as it gives you a very visual marker by a nice silver ring.

But you can have the nice ring of solder and the internal joint missing patches of solder. I see this a lot with plumbers joints and I think it is down to dirty fittings not cleaned first on mild flux & perhaps also careless heating of fitting. I think my way of adding flux as you solder by a dab on tip of solder wire is the proper way. Let's face it, flux runs out of fitting as you heat the fitting

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I agree mate. But you just know when it's right by the feel of it etc

 

[Best]

Us newbies can only do as we're taught, until we get taught better by old school folk like yourselves on here

The man that taught me was a perfectionist and I could never improve on his ideas, except I try to be a bit quicker. I was lucky to learn from him. I think it is hard to go against a habit you have been taught. Leaks were not acceptable ever by him.

 

[Best]

I agree mate. But you just know when it's right by the feel of it etc

I am sure you have removed a soldered joint you did by melting it off because you wanted to modify your pipe work or add to it. It gives a great test to how good your soldering is.

 

[jaydebruyne]

The man that taught me was a perfectionist and I could never improve on his ideas, except I try to be a bit quicker. I was lucky to learn from him. I think it is hard to go against a habit you have been taught. Leaks were not acceptable ever by him.

Aren't we (plumbers) here to prevent leaks?? Among other things. I can't walk away from a job even if something ever so slightly weeps.. If it ain't dry, it ain't right.

At the end of the day, I think there are a few different techniques to soldering and its what suits you best - as long as the end result is the same: a solid, dry and long lasting joint.

 

[Best]

I am same. I will not accept very slight damp at brass joints or at washer at valve heads or packing nuts. I will replace new olives with better ones & I use brass olives instead of copper on heating pipes. I also use paste on compression joints. I am careful to compress joints & I check they are compressed & full in and I know that is weird, but no plumber can be sure of all types of brass fittings being compressed or full in and the worst thing about them is a pipe falling out.
Take no chances and hopefully you will have no bother