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Just had a call that some easy fit kitchen mono had popped of its base and flooded kitchen, now getting concerned as I fitted some of these for a customer before Christmas also they had a load of Bristain easy fit mono basin taps in PTS about a month ago that they were selling off cheap and I bought one but not fitted yet



Wonder if there's a problem with them
 
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theres a problem if you post the same thread everywhere, kill off one mate. Otherwise if you install correctly I wouldnt worry.
 
That's not so good. Ive fitted a few mixers recently coming with the base section being bolted to the ware and a little grub screw holding the tap in place. I thought it was a silly idea. Not sure the make as the customer supplied them.
 
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Can't seem to be able to delete my other post only edit how do you do it
 
Clicked edit no option for delete pressed cancel say you sure you want to disregard message click yes but it doesn't go
 
After hitting the edit button I have to scroll down, click in the little circle, then click delete.
 
I'm using Tapatalk on iPhone 6 not so user friendly since latest update, still can't delete and can see no little circle
 
I am concerned that my local PTS sold them off ridiculous cheap think they were about ÂŁ15 normally about ÂŁ65 makes you wonder
 
I can't say the one I fitted I would describe as "easy fit" took a lot longer than normal but it was my first
 
The apprentice had the same thing. Popped off and flooded a kitchen. Dunno why unless he didn't install properly.
 
Going to call or email Bristain see what there response is and if they have had any incidents reported to them
 
First they know of this happening after a long pause talking to someone else
 
Heard a rumour that Homeserve were fitting a lot of these but suddenly stopped after loads where just popping off
 
I thought these bristan easyfit taps were a stupid idea when they first came out and never saw the need. You only have to hold tap tails while doing up the nut at the beginning to stop tap trying to fall over etc when installing. Or on kitchen mono mixers you can remove the spout first on some if you wanted to....Just another o-ring to deteriorate and start leaking.
 
I work for a big insurance company and switched to the easyfit taps, we've had quite a few blow offs some were installer error most common one is not greasing up the threads before fiting the tap into the base and the other is the tap wasn't seated on the base correctly.

But we had loads that were unexplained. First time I fitted one took me ages now after a couple you really can fly through them in 5mins.

Personally I wouldn't fit one in my house as don't trust them.
 
Quick update on this thread for any who are interested. One of our installers (who has fitted a fair few kitchen taps) had one fly off within 5 minutes of leaving the customer's property. Tap initially held perfectly fine under mains pressure. Grub screws must have unwound themselves under the pressure as I could see the marks on the metal where he had got the grub screws very tight initially.

Major design issues, the first (and last) easy fit tap we will fit. The design flaw on seeing the tap myself is that the fixing grub screws locate into a bevelled section of the tap. High water pressure pushes the tap upwards causing the grub screws to start to unwind as they move up the bevelled section. Simply changing the design to a milled slot for the grub screws to recess into would sort this issue entirely.

Hopefully Bristan will be covering the repair costs to my customer's new kitchen and goodwill for our reputation damage as she was a referred customer from another one of ours.

Currently in touch with Bristan regarding claiming for damage to the customer's house.

Luckily they blew off as he was about to leave rather than at his next job or their house would have been flooded.
 
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I'm fitting a set today for the first time. Probably shouldn't have read this thread :p
 
+1 to lock tight fitted 10 non have blown off yet
 
It think they are pretty pony. Fitted a few sets for a housing association I worked for. One fella on there had a couple of sets pop off. I'm thinking it's more of the installer though.
 
How can the insurers or bristan say the Tao was not seated correctly... Sounds like a pony excuse to avoid paying!

If a customer asks me to fit any it would be on the understanding it's there risk after reading this thread!!!
 
I fitted a set 6 months ago and they blew off yesterday, both grub screws had loosened.
There is a real problem with these and i would not recommend them.
 
I spoke to Bristan today and they admitted problems with easy fit.
 
Fitted probably 10 or so of these.. No problems just yet. Although definitely going to make a conscious point of checking the grub screws though!
 
I've fitted two or three previously that I remember. None for at least 4 months with no problems so far.

But I did fit one this morning but I don't think it was Bristan. But exactly same set up except it had one of those horrible fixing kits that are like a sharp ended pivoting bar instead of the horse-shoe-shaped plate and rubber washer. Customer supplied it. No idea what it was. I will contact them and warn them, can even link them to this thread.

I won't fit another.
 
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I spoke at length to Bristan technical today, they said if the base plate is 180 degrees out then the grub screws don't land in the grooves but it still fits together and will hold for a time.

Later versions appartantly make it idiot proof by having grooves on the other side but I need to see this for myself.
 
I have fitted 21 Easyfit taps since June 2015 of which 4 have blown off so far, one after 8 months, another after 11 months and another after 13 months. Out of 6 Monzas 3 have failed, and out of 8 Echos 1 has failed. I have also spoken to an installer who has had lots of Manhattans blow off. I have just posted a video to explain the problem to all 21 of my customers and have emailed them my concerns. I thought it was 3 that had blown off, but one of them emailed me right back saying his kitchen was flooded 6 months ago and his insurance plumber had replaced the tap. I was surprised he hadn't called me. Anyway, here's the video. I hope it's helpful:
https://youtu.be/chTGvh-Rsas
 
Don't see what the problem is tbh just use some loctite thread lock on the grub screws like I do haven't had one pop off

I know you shouldn't have to but it's the days where manufacturers don't think ahead / take responsibility
 
I was of the same thinking as you Hamish that by supplying my customers with Bristan taps I was fitting a quality product but unfortunately this has not proved to be the case.
My first issues was the ceramic cartridge dripping (not the easy fit range) after about a year, they did send replacement free but said this was a one off, of course I couldn't charge my customer for my time to replace them, then the same problem occurred approximately a year later with the replacement cartridges, my customer requested a different brand which they were willing to pay for but I agreed to fit FOC as I had recommended and supplied the Bristan taps.
In between the previous episodes I fitted some easy fit kitchen mono block taps , which to be honest was anything but easy fit, about three months after that got a phone call from someone that had just had a Easy fit kitchen tap go in to orbit and totally flood her house obviously she and I assumed the plumber that fitted them had not done so properly, but I soon saw the reason why, the grub screws had loosened, so refitted and put a bit of thread lock on but was still worried it could happen again and explained my concern, No charge.
I then contacted my customer where I fitted the easyfit tap to check it remove grub screws and thread lock them, no charge obviously.
Then came on this forum and discovered others had the issues
 
Its all very well manufacturers sending out replacement parts but why do we always have to swallow the labour costs the least they could do is supply us with a substantial discount voucher on future purchases, not that I would be likely to use Bristan again. Or better still just a voucher to buy something for yourself
 
It's true that loctite thread lock might be an effective solution, but thinking back to their promotional video with Roger Bisby, if Bristan's design engineers were really so smart when they came up with the Easyfit design, they might have thought about including a tube of that in the box of every Easyfit tap. And Bristan must surely have been aware of this thread since it started back in October last year. So why has nearly a year gone by and they haven't thought to send out one of their engineers to check each registered product and apply a touch of thread lock for safety's sake? Or even to contact the installers and ask them to do so. What amazes me is that Bristan are still sailing full steam ahead with the Good Ship Easyfit, while it is sinking beneath them. The Easyfit concept is flawed for several reasons. Firstly, the initial install of an Easyfit tap is not really any easier than installing a normal tap with horse-shoe and backnut. It is only on the subsequent replacement of the Easyfit tap, 5 to 10 years down the line, that the Easyfit design is a real timesaver. Secondly, the benefit is a 10 minute replacement in several years' time install of a 1 hour job. A 50 minute saving every 5 to 10 years is an almost negligible benefit. Thirdly, the Easyfit concept adds an additional element of risk that wasn't there before, and the risk of a blow off is so serious that it isn't worth the added risk, however much they try to tinker with their design. Fourthly, if you replace the tap in 5 years' time but retain the existing base, the base may by then have deteriorated in various ways, such as the rubber o-rings perishing, the isolating valves dripping if you turn them, or the flexible pipe tails may have rusted due to condensation and eventually burst if they get too old and rusty. It would be better to have a new base at the same time as the new tap. But in that case, the Easyfit concept is redundant because you then need to access under the sink to change the flexis and isolators.

As a plumber, the last thing you want is to flood a customer's house. At this point, I don't care what modifications they make to the Easyfit design - I wouldn't touch another Easyfit tap with a barge pole.

If you are concerned about Easyfit taps that you have already installed, call Bristan's customer services and discuss my YouTube video and this thread with them. Ask them to provide you with a case reference number that you can use when you write to your customers and alert them to the problem and the risk that their homes may be flooded. If your customers then call Bristan and quote your case reference number, they will be immediately identified as your customer. They can request that Bristan replace their tap under guarantee because the design is faulty. If your customers receive an unsatisfactory response, the ball is then back in your court to contact Bristan and get on their case.

Bristan have been behaving as though they can deny there is a problem and hoping that by doing so the problem will just go away. It's your job to remind them the problem won't go away as long as you have customers out there whose homes are at risk of flooding from an Easyfit tap.

It won't be long before they have no choice but to issue a product recall. But for the sake of your customers and your reputation, I don't suggest you sit back and wait for that to happen.

Unless you want to go round all your Easyfit customers with a tube of loctite...
 
Phfffff.
That was a bit of a read Hamish.
Me with one eye due to the other one calling it a night about half an hour ago.
1. Roger Bisby is a prik
2. Bristain are playing the numbers game

I had a 3 and 4 but rubbed it out ;)
 
Its all very well manufacturers sending out replacement parts but why do we always have to swallow the labour costs

If you buy from a merchant rather than toolfix you won't/don't need to swallow the labour. It is an easy process to contra them and they will cave in.
 
If you buy from a merchant rather than toolfix you won't/don't need to swallow the labour. It is an easy process to contra them and they will cave in.

Are you saying that CPS, Graham, Plumbase, Plumb Centre will reimburse my labour costs if they provide me with a faulty product?
 
I definitely wont be fitting any Bristan products unless my customer supplies them excluding easy fit taps I would recommend
returning for refund
 
I definitely wont be fitting any Bristan products unless my customer supplies them excluding easy fit taps I would recommend
returning for refund

i would say they wouldnt as they would say contact manufacturer unless one of there branded products
 
When it comes to reimbursement for your labour, I think there are just times when you have to take that on the chin. I'm not seeking reimbursement for the three return visits I made when the taps blew off. And I don't want to cheese off my local Plumb Center guys by expecting them to pay, because I rely on them for all my supplies and I want to maintain a good relationship with them. But there's a limit. I could have ordered 21 replacement non-Easyfit taps and gone round all my customers and said 'Please can I give you a free replacement because the Bristan one is dodgy'. That would have cost me an hour's labour plus a new tap per customer, and if you multiply that 21 times thats a lot of money. Given that Bristan give a 5 year guarantee, that's not a cost I felt I should swallow. Instead I have had to go through all my Plumb Center invoices to count all the taps I've bought and then go through all my customer invoices to account for every tap and where it was fitted. That in itself took quite a bit of time. I then spent all of Thursday making my video and then emailing all 21 customers with a CC to Bristan's customer services. When Bristan's CEO watches my video, I doubt he's going to say, 'Let's reimburse Hamish for his time'!
 
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