Self cutting DOC - good idea or another bit of junk for the toolbox?

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Saw this today for the first time. Apparently we have been selling them for ages! :) I had never seen it before.

Its a cross between a self-cutting tap and a DOC. The idea is that it is a temporary fix to allow you to drain down when there are no DOCs fitted - once drained you take it out, replace the bit of pipe that you have cut into, and fit a proper DOC so that the next plumber doesn't have the same problem.

Clever idea, or just another gadget that will haunt the van?
 

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good idea where can i get one - smaller than my wmc one .
 
why not order from ray our forum sponsor ?

what you knocking them out at ray plus pnp ?
 
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bod said:
why now order from ray our forum sponsor ?

what you knocking them out at ray plus pnp ?
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At the moment BOD, we aren't really geared up for mail order. We are working on that at the moment, so in the relatively near future we will have an online ecommerce site.

As a bit of fun though, I will post out 5 to Bod, Buckley Plumb and the next 3 Plumbers Arms members that PM me a snail mail address. No cost, just come back on the forum and give a short bit of feedback. (Can be positive or negative).

The bloke who invented them (and a hundred other little plumbing gadgets) is an old mate of mine, and I saw him today, so am really doing this as a favour to him.

If you want one, and live in the South East, come into your nearest Williams and get one. If you are out of our area, show the pic to your local independent merchant and tell him they come from Pond Agencies.
 
Tell the boys at Littlehampton I will be in for one !!

Kev Stephenson.
 
Thanks Ray,
Is there a 22mm version made as well ? ( not asking for one of those for free as that would just be cheeky !! )

Kev.
 
i havent seen one was looking last week i ended up freezing pipe
 
they are a very good way of draining down when there are no docs, i have one with washing machine 3/4 fitting on so i can attach a drain hose with no leaks unlike sometimes with a doc.
 
Kev the gas said:
Thanks Ray,
Is there a 22mm version made as well ?
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I don't know. I have emailed my mate a link to this thread, so hopefully he can answer. Maybe a new product idea for him.

He does do a 22mm wide aperture type A DOC, which he reckons allow you to drain down 77% faster than using a 15mm. Its the same principle as a normal DOC, just a bigger body, a decent gland and plenty of room for the water to flow, or the odd bit of debris to pass. Combine that with a self-cutting head, and you wouldnt have time for a cuppa whilst the system drained!
 

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another tool i have used in the past saved the skin on my knuckles on pumping up exp vessels and good for repairing damaged valves just screw onto faulty schrider valve and its fixed if access is not possiple to get the valve out.
 

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OK - freebies are gone! Bod, Buckley Plumb, Nicro, Gray0689 and Kev the Gas were quickest off the mark!
 
Ray Stafford said:
I don't know. I have emailed my mate a link to this thread, so hopefully he can answer. Maybe a new product idea for him.

He does do a 22mm wide aperture type A DOC, which he reckons allow you to drain down 77% faster than using a 15mm. Its the same principle as a normal DOC, just a bigger body, a decent gland and plenty of room for the water to flow, or the odd bit of debris to pass. Combine that with a self-cutting head, and you wouldnt have time for a cuppa whilst the system drained!
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now that sounds a good idea.
 
These are very useful in emergencies, more so as burst pipe season is nearly upon us. If you get a call out in the wee small hours to cap a water main but can't get the water switched off, fit one of these before the burst, connect a hose to it and divert the water outside, it takes the main flow of pressure off the burst pipe, making it easier to fix the burst.
 
Ray can you also get a 22mm version of this particular one with the drain valve?
 
Looks excellent. Could do with a few of those. Saves dragging my wmc tap out all the time.
Just my luck to miss a freebie though lol
 
could have done with one of those today,40 year old system,knackerd pump and fitted by a monkey,no isos on it and no drain offs what a PITA had to disconnect a rad to drop the system only to find they were mini era valves and not 3/4 tails ,and neutral point was blocked the joys of old systems,oh and after sorting all that the gravity circ airlocked
 
talk about a missed oppertunity ive been using a self cut wash mac for years to drain down when theres no doc never thought there was a market for this think i even put it up in hints on here
 
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OK - freebies are gone! Bod, Buckley Plumb, Nicro, Gray0689 and Kev the Gas were quickest off the mark!
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We can see who spends half the day sitting on their backsides instead of working now.

I've used these for quite a while , BES stock them.
 
i posted about these self cutting doc a few times in the past year or so, very good and i always have one on the van.
 
There's nothing I hate more than someone checking their phone all day for messages. Anyone does that working for me it's phone in the van or off site.
 
i hate talking/working with somebody who cuts convos short to answer there phone or check text messages all the time.... it drives me mad and i tend to always.............. "beep,beep!"
 
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My phone is set on vibrate when in a house, so no one gets disturbed by the constant ringtone all day. I mainly use it for work and honestly couldn't do without it now.

I still remember my first phone. A "half brick" Motorola. How things have changed.
 
kirkgas said:
ray can you post me 200m of 28mm copper and i will do a report as well?
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No problem kirkgas, but I will need "the report" up front. It doesn't have to be a long report, just the 16 digits from the front, the expiry date and the last 3 digits of the CSC. :)
 
Kev the gas said:
Thanks Ray,
Is there a 22mm version made as well ? ( not asking for one of those for free as that would just be cheeky !! )
Kev.
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system3 said:
Ray can you also get a 22mm version of this particular one with the drain valve?
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I emailed and asked. The answer came back...

EmailFromRobPond said:
I am on the case amigo
Can get it in washing machine valve and add a hose union to it ?
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That sounds like a working solution to me. Its not like the thing has to look nice, it just has to work! Not much point in tooling up for a dedicated fitting if a heath-robinson approach will be cheaper.
 
Thanks Ray, the Mrs has polished off the jelly babies already. Had to put my foot down when she started to eye the doc.
 
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Thanks ray but you've confused me now giving me two options to test
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Lol got mine today to
Thanks ray your a gent
But I opened it in front of my wee girl so the sweets where gone in a flash lol
She says thank you too
As soon as I try it ill let you know
Again thanks ray
 
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