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Any one know what's the easiest way of achieving highest NVQ qualifications ?
I am expirienced plumber and already GSR , just need to gain some sertificates
 
What u want to be not very qualified in exactly lots if nvq. Is it's bumming u need a mentor. M
 
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Can't learn off yourself! Mentor needs to sign off ur crap. Collage bod comes out and needs to speak to your supervisor
 
Stan, with your knowledge and experience there's a way you can jump straight through to level 4, I'm exploring it at the moment because I'm in a similar boat to you.

I'll dig out the details later and pm them to you mate, both on here and on facebook.
 
croppie said:
Stan, with your knowledge and experience there's a way you can jump straight through to level 4, I'm exploring it at the moment because I'm in a similar boat to you.

I'll dig out the details later and pm them to you mate, both on here and on facebook.
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Could you share with me as well Mr Croppie please
Getting loads of offers for decent high end site work, but as no nvq's, means I cannot get a cscs card
 
croppie said:
Stan, with your knowledge and experience there's a way you can jump straight through to level 4, I'm exploring it at the moment because I'm in a similar boat to you.

I'll dig out the details later and pm them to you mate, both on here and on facebook.
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Me too please Mr Croppie! I've got NVQ L2, but seriously thinking about college next year 1 day a week to get L3. If I could jump to L4 that'd be even better for future plans...
 
That NVQ 4 is in site management not Plumbing & heating.
As far as I am aware there is only up to Level 3 in just plumbing & heating, you then had to go onto a BTEC in Building Services & then onto HND in the same this was the route if you where in consulting.

There is what they call a mature workers route to NVQ Levels 2 & 3 but you would still need to sit the on-line exams & someone would need to come out & see work across the range of plumbing work.
 
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I was originally told of a scheme that took into consideration your profesional qualifications and the ability to get yourself the qualification you require, for example with me, I've got an ONC in electrical engineering from years ago which doesn't count in our industry. But I've still shed loads of experience and professional qualifications such as the gas tickets etc.

I was told of this scheme called Licentiateship which took all of the above into consideration. Licentiateship doesn't exist anymore but has now evolved into 'Professional Recognition Awards'.

I'm currently trying to find a college in NI that'll deliver this.

Details below.

Professional Recognition Awards | City & Guilds
 
chris watkins said:
That NVQ 4 is in site management not Plumbing & heating.
As far as I am aware there is only up to Level 3 in just plumbing & heating, you then had to go onto a BTEC in HND.

There is what they call a mature workers route to NVQ Levels 2 & 3 but you would still need to sit the on-line exams.
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You got more details on this Chris?
 
Linkyplumb said:
Yes I am GSR, but do not hold any city and guilds in gas fitting.
The only C and G I hold is the 6129, level 2
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Looking at the jib site for cscs cards, looks like all I would be able to get is the Plumbing related occupations, White card, which means probably next to naff all in wages.
 
http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/Produc...88-6189 experienced worker route_guidance.pdf

To all that are interested in obtaining an industry recognized City & Guilds 6189 NVQ Level 2 or 3 qualification. Please have a read through the document link above, it sets out what is required if you are an experienced worker who wishes to use this experience instead of completing the whole standard course with on-site assessments.

The main bit is as follows "This enables the candidate to achieve the practical element of the combination unit(s) by submitting evidence of work activities from his/her workplace. Any learning outcomes not covered by this process will still need to be achieved using other assessment methods required for the qualification."
"All the Performance and Knowledge Unit assessments will still need to be completed." Which means all the on-line exams & written projects will still need to be completed.

Level 2 has to be competed before you can go on to Level 3.

Take care ladies & gents what knowledge you may believe is needed to work as a plumber is not necessarily what City & Guild thinks (Well it isn't actually C&G but the Sector Skills Counsel for our industry = SummitSkills).
There is a charge every time you resit an exam for instants & they will still need to come & see you on site a number of times so make sure you have a good idea what the likely total costs will be.

I do not know of any colleges that run this route but there are a number of training providers, again take care & check them out properly.
Hope that helps.

(PS. thanks Neil S for the full info)
 
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slightly of the mark but I noticed a certificate behind the bar in my local boozer yesterday, Level 3 certificate in beverage serving.
made me chuckle that did
 
This is a really interesting read
 
im actually quite flabbergasted at the amount of plumbers and engineers on this site that dont seem to have level 3 and in some cases level 2 NVQ!. How can you claim to be a plumber without level 2 certificate. I (like alot on here) came through a recognised apprenticeship and gained C&G craft cert. That made us a basic plumber, but we had to carry on through our C&G advanced craft cert to be a real plumber. After training many apprentices over the years, i think the NVQ system is carp and really need to do something about it. My current apprentice goes to college 1 day aweek starts at 9, tea break 10.30-11, lunch 12.30-1.30, tea break 3-3.30 then finish at 4.30!!!!!! thats 5.5 hrs. Back in the day we did 9-9 then 6-9 on a second night after work.
 
Quite agree missplumb , when i attended college it was month at a time over the 3 years , at least a month you have a chance but day release is a waste of time , its like watchin a really good series on tv thats on once a week , by the time next episodes on youve forgot what the last one was about, and there are loads of just nvq2 and alot of these short fast track courses and folks then call themselves plumbers, Last months edition of gassafe said IGEM are trying to phase out and stop these fast track courses and the sooner the better me thinks,
 
Careful you are showing your age (says he, who just got back from the Monty Python do).

We did spend a lot more time at college but seem to remember drawing a few stopcocks etc & doing a lot lot more practical, things which took longer to master like lead work & bronze welding etc both of which have now gone.
 
i remember having to strip down ballvalves, stop taps, sink taps atc down to their component parts, then getting a lecturer to come and see then we had to put them back together and show them working correctly before the would sign it off. and that went for everything we did,, making hanging brackets, cylinder cupbaords, bathrooms. and as for sheetwork, lead bashing, welding, Nuralite dog ears, zinc and copper sheetwork, brazing 4"copper pipes vertically, welding and cutting steel pipes. God we had it hard!!!!!!!!!
but im more of a TRAINED plumber than any NVQ plumber will ever be
 
Qualifications as such as NVQ 2 /3 , ACS -gas , g3 , part L ,
dont mean nothing at all this days .
 
Yeh also learning how to bend and thread MI pipe , copper brazing and lead burning , the leads still here but,,,,,
 
Its a pitty as the schools are far more equipt now than ever b4, the tech college i attended at the time hadnt much money so when working on boilers or in your cubicle it was always old garbage but the last time i was in renewing my gas its had a huge overhall and all the best of equipment , i think alot of tech schools are getting the good of funding to help teach the kids in a better enviroment,
 
Not been able to train to a master degree all the youngsters(not just plumbing ) will mean that there will be very a weak mid class (work class ) !
Not having a good strong mid class (working class ) will turn into a deeper recession.
 
my apprentice is with JTL and they recieve about £40,000 for every student they take on so the more the better for them. byt they dont get the final payment until the trainee has completed the whole course. my app has been training now for 6 years and still hasnt finished his write ups.
 
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