Is it really cheaper for me to have central heating on all day than a gas fire?

[hollyoaks777]

Is it really cheaper for me to have central heating on than a gas fire? My fire is an open coal effect gas fire I can't find mine as it's 14year old. I just moved house last year and brought my Marble fireplace and gas fire with me. I also want to know if I get a new Boiler would my bills be cheaper. I don't know how old my boiler is as it's a council property and it was there when I moved in.

But plumber checked with his supplier and says he has been selling spare parts for it for 10 years. It's a SIME
code: 8104011
Model: Ecomfort plus 30 HE
GC No 47-283-14

I have an extra bedroom in my property and I am downstairs now but the radiator is at frost setting in back bedroom my gas bill is now £61 a month whereas I was only £39 at my old property and I used the central heating a lot more in my old property than this one. I have asked about my relations My sister is only £60 a month and is in a 4 bedroom house of her own up and downstairs 2 adults and 2 kids and she is only £60 a month, my cousin is in a 3 bedroom house up and downstairs and is only £46 a month for 2 adults and a kid. I am in a 2 bedroom 4 in a block house groundfloor with 2 bedrooms of which I don't use the radiator in the back bedroom and I am £61 a month and I am on my own I can't afford to heat the house the way I want to. And I am in debt to the supplier.

And concil have told me I am not getting a new boiler as it has spare parts for it. and it's burning at 29.52Kw and is only a 30Kw boiler. So they told me not to use my gas fire turn all radiators down to 2 apart from Living Room keep it at full. Would a new boiler make any difference

 

[hollyoaks777]

Get out more? Move back with the parents?

Wish I could get out more.

 

[gmartine]

1706 to 1709

You've used about 3 cubic metres of gas today boiling your butt off, that equates to approx 34kw/h. You can work out from your bill what that is per day.

I think we've worked out why your usage is as high as it is haven't we?

 

[hollyoaks777]

You've used about 3 cubic metres of gas today boiling your butt off, that equates to approx 34kw/h. You can work out from your bill what that is per day.

I think we've worked out why your usage is as high as it is haven't we?

Yes I think everything is OK. Thank God I don't have to fight anymore. You would think that it was coming out there own pocket, the council inspectors that is. I am so tired fighting them. Just got gas Fire to do tomorrow. And then it will be a couple of days in my thermals when they arrive to account for the wastage. But it was worth it as stress makes my conditions worsen and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for bearing with me. Thanks again.

 

[hollyoaks777]

Yes I think everything is OK. Thank God I don't have to fight anymore. You would think that it was coming out there own pocket, the council inspectors that is. I am so tired fighting them. Just got gas Fire to do tomorrow. And then it will be a couple of days in my thermals when they arrive to account for the wastage. But it was worth it as stress makes my conditions worsen and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for bearing with me. Thanks again.

Do I have to run my gas fire the whole day. Can I not just calculate by the hour?

 

[hollyoaks777]

Just going to run it all day post results at 7:50pm

 

[gmartine]

Why are you bothering to test now when you know what the problem is?

Your hall stat is set too high and so is the rad stat.

 

[hollyoaks777]

Why are you bothering to test now when you know what the problem is?

Your hall stat is set too high and so is the rad stat.

It's what someone asked me to do. Can't remember his name using phone for forum. I don't think he's convinced that you loose 40p in the £1 with fire.

 

[Best]

Do I have to run my gas fire the whole day. Can I not just calculate by the hour?

Calculating by the hour will not be as accurate. Your home will need more heat put into it in colder parts of day - like in the evening and especially on a cold start up where it needs to build the heat up in the house.

 

[Dotty]

You don't need to run it all day.

Put your fire on then go look at your meter, take a reading including the decimal points in m3/hr (or cubic feet per hour if you've got a very old meter)

Time it for 2 minutes then record the reading then.

Then do the same for your boiler.

Come back and tell us what your readings are, what units it's recorded in (m3/hr or ft3/hr), what your tariff per unit is and your calorific value. These last couple will be found on your latest bill.

We can tell you what you're paying per hour then.

 

[hollyoaks777]

You don't need to run it all day.

Put your fire on then go look at your meter, take a reading including the decimal points in m3/hr (or cubic feet per hour if you've got a very old meter)

Time it for 2 minutes then record the reading then.

Then do the same for your boiler.

Come back and tell us what your readings are, what units it's recorded in (m3/hr or ft3/hr), what your tariff per unit is and your calorific value. These last couple will be found on your latest bill.

We can tell you what you're paying per hour then.

It's at 1710366 been on full for 2 hours reading started at 1709244. Going to do as you suggest just now.

 

[Dotty]

I'm hoping there's a decimal point in there somewhere.

 

[hollyoaks777]

With Fire on full for 2 minutes start 01710433 after 2 minutes 01710450.

central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644

 

[hollyoaks777]

With Fire on full for 2 minutes start 01710433 after 2 minutes 01710450.

central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644

I get 17 for the fire and 94 for central heating on full 30 degrees correct? m3

last 3 digits are red

 

[hollyoaks777]

I'm hoping there's a decimal point in there somewhere.

No decimal point last 3 digits are red. If that helps you help me

 

[hollyoaks777]

Yesterdays full readings were 01706471 and 01709244 last 3 digits red and M3 and temperature was 21 degrees

And that was central heating on for 12 hours.

 

[Dotty]

Righto, now dig out your bill, we need your tariff and calorific value.

 

[hollyoaks777]

Righto, now dig out your bill, we need your tariff and calorific value.

I don't get bills it's online and I am on standard tariff with Scottish hydro. What's my calorific value?

 

[Dotty]

Your cv is a measurement that we use to determine how much heat is generated per unit of gas.

It'll be a number somewhere between 38 and 42. I'll take it as being 41.04 as that's what we're using in Northern Ireland.

Even though you're online you should see your tariff per unit.

 

[hollyoaks777]

Your cv is a measurement that we use to determine how much heat is generated per unit of gas.

It'll be a number somewhere between 38 and 42. I'll take it as being 41.04 as that's what we're using in Northern Ireland.

Even though you're online you should see your tariff per unit.

I am bloody hopeless at online billing changing to paper. But I found this. If it helps

The calorific value refers to the amount of energy that’s released when a certain amount of gas is completely combusted under specific conditions throughout the National Grid system.

It’s measured continually and changes a small amount every day, but a typical example of the calorific value is 39.2.

 

[rpm]

How come you let this guy continuously swear croppie?

 

[newcastle phill]

140 posts and 15 minutes of my life ill never see again

 

[joni os]

Have patience Job XXXVIII. XI can't be far away.

 

[gmartine]

Guys...those that are trying to contribute in a constructive manner probably realise hollyoakes has more difficulties than most so let's not be too quick to judge and just see if we can help him through this instead of littering the thread with unhelpful and occasionally snide posts.

 

[hollyoaks777]

Guys...those that are trying to contribute in a constructive manner probably realise hollyoakes has more difficulties than most so let's not be too quick to judge and just see if we can help him through this instead of littering the thread with unhelpful and occasionally snide posts.

Thank you very much for that mate as I do.

 

[joni os]

If this thread is not a windup then Masood's Tax Refund will be in the bank.

 

[hollyoaks777]

If this thread is not a windup then Masood's Tax Refund will be in the bank.

It's not a windup, give me a break mate. I struggle with my health, I am in constant agony, I bet you're healthy add into the bargain, I have just lost my brother in law and was over playing with my wee niece, who's heartbroken she doesn't have a Dad anymore and is attending counseling. She goes through enough with her spinabifida can't even do her own pee pees or poos. It's heartbreaking to watch. I am entering my fire being on all day reading at 7:50pm. And I would like if you could tell me what the difference is between the central heating and the fire as it might help someone else like me and I will be out of your hair. I don't see what the wind up is I struggle ok. Is that what you want to hear? As I haven't a clue about meters or heating. And as I say it may help someone else like me without being ridiculed they can look at this thread.

 

[joni os]

The reason this thread appears a windup is that what ever your state of physical health the questions you ask are both intelligent and perceptive, yet when offered advice you respond with a reason to ignore it and pose another question. With persistence like yours resolving problems through social services and landlord should not be difficult.

 

[hollyoaks777]

The reason this thread appears a windup is that what ever your state of physical health the questions you ask are both intelligent and perceptive, yet when offered advice you respond with a reason to ignore it and pose another question. With persistence like yours resolving problems through social services and landlord should not be difficult.

OK mate I know I am. I Just want to know the difference betwwen the fire and the central heating. And that the energy company is not ripping me off. And yes I am persistant. I don't get help off anyone. I can't even get an extra wireless heating control for when I can't walk and I have been told just to use my electric blanket. And believe me I pushed all the way for that. I would buy one myself but I don't think it will work. You will know better, the reciever is only single band I think and I think you need a dual band reciever to have 2 wireless heating controls in fact I am going to ask the gas engineer tomorrow when I see him if that is the case. When I get him to set my heating control to come on at 18 degrees instead of 21. I can only apologise about this but I just want to know these things and that's me sorted. Thank you.

 

[Phil]

Nevermind the gas central heating or the gas fire, reading all ten pages of this makes me want to put my head in the gas oven!

 

[Rickster123]

OK mate I know I am. I Just want to know the difference betwwen the fire and the central heating. And that the energy company is not ripping me off. And yes I am persistant. I don't get help off anyone. I can't even get an extra wireless heating control for when I can't walk and I have been told just to use my electric blanket. And believe me I pushed all the way for that. I would buy one myself but I don't think it will work. You will know better, the reciever is only single band I think and I think you need a dual band reciever to have 2 wireless heating controls in fact I am going to ask the gas engineer tomorrow when I see him if that is the case. When I get him to set my heating control to come on at 18 degrees instead of 21. I can only apologise about this but I just want to know these things and that's me sorted. Thank you.

"I don't get help off anyone" this statement really sums it up for me. You DO get help. A lot of help. The constant visits from gas engineers to your property cost money. Not your money tho. The council or social housing will pick up the tab for that. There's people with real issues in dire need of help but due to too many time wasters playing the system they're unable to receive help. If you can't afford it turn it off. It's that simple. How the hell did people survive years ago?! Really boils me this.