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I am currently re wireing a house and  also re plumbing the water pipes, i am fully aware that i cant connect the gas up but I am competant enough to run the hot\cold water pipes, and the feeed\return to the boiler aswell as the cold feed, as long as he gets a gas safe plumber to do all the gas work is this ok to do i am planning on leaving him 4 pipes under the boiler c|h F\R and cold feed, hot out, my only question is what size pipes should i use under the boiler 22mm or 15?
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jonny
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Before you get too far find a gas safe registered installer that is willing to do the work for you and ask his advise.
 
Mike Jackson said:
Before you get too far find a gas safe registered installer that is willing to do the work for you and ask his advise.
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I Already have a gas safe engineer who will deal with all the gas pipes and connect it up all he wants me to do is run the cold feed and flow return + hot water pipes to under the boiler dothey need to be in copper so near the boiler and what diameter plz many thanks
Jonny
 
Howsie said:
Depends on the boiler.
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not quite sur



e what boiler he has but i i was to get al the water carriening pipes to the boiler location in 15mm if he needs he can put some expanders in to get 22mm init
 
If you're competent then you'll already know the pipe sizes if you don't then you're incompetent.
 
Surely if you're on good enough terms with a GSR who is willing to risk their professional status to allow you to do any pipework before the boiler and said GSR will do the last connections to the boiler & all gas work then you are able to contact him or have already spoken to him about pipe sizing?!?

Even my GSR states he does ALL pipe work on any work he does for me & I've known the guy for 20 years! It's not that he doesn't trust me it just ensures he knows 100% he can guarantee all pipe work being sized correctly & in the right place. This doesn't offend me, quite the opposite! He's the one that's put money, time & effort in becoming professional & highly competent GSR so I leave him to it.

Perhaps that's the best advice you can be given, leave it to your GSR!!
 
You will struggle to get that advice on here mate because we need to make a wage as well
 
TomLane said:
It's not that he doesn't trust me it just ensures he knows 100% he can guarantee all pipe work being sized correctly & in the right place.
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Also, … soldered correctly, so it’s not gonna pop off the following day and flood the house. Seen that before…
 
i can solder water pipes with my eyes closed i was just asking what diametre pipe he will want on the hot water and also on the feed and return, i have done plenty of plumbing in my time just never with a combi boiler inolved, my gsr just wants all the water pipes in the regioun of where the boiler is to be sited then he is going to fit the gas pipe, its not rocket science is it
 
dancinplumba said:
If its not rocket science why you asking ?
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I'm asking To Make sure i use the correct bore pipe, and the bit thats not rocket science is runnung the pipes to the boiler cupboard, but if no-one wants to help seriously then Forget it, I've stated about 5 times im not touching the gas pipe, thought thats what forums were for!!!
 
You're GSR should have told you what size pipes he wants leaving. Part P qualified as well?
 
and so ends todays lesson :)

Shame your ten week course didn't tell you what pipes to run under a combi :)
 
dancinplumba said:
Took me four weeks at night skool to be a sparks its easy :)
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some of us can afford to pay the stupid fees, so i did it the oldschool way "Apprenticeship" Heard of Em?? Day release, Etc, i could have done it in a week but i didnt have the £795 they wanted, and i havnt done the 10 week course YET but i think i will coz this forum is full of knobs all i asked is 1 simple qiuestion and all of a sudden people are assuming allsorts, if people actually took the time to read what i am doing they would know why im asking ,
 
The point you're missing, is that there's more to it than soldering.

We're not in the habit of giving our trade secrets to "handymen" who will only do a poor job cos they don't understand the psychics.
 
Could I recommend 'How to Make Friends and Influence People', cracking read. Don't tend to get much advice from people you call door handles :)
 
SimonG said:
Could I recommend 'How to Make Friends and Influence People', cracking read. Don't tend to get much advice from people you call door handles :)
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I didnt call everyone door handles just the few that didnt take the time to read properly, and I, am well aware that there is more to it than soldering theres volume\capacity throughput to meassure then i can tell if my pipe can handle the floe that the pump kicks out then theres the pipes to run away from the electricity cable, i dont appreciate you assuming that i am a handyman because i dont understand the psyics on a heating system, I'm a Fully qualified Electrician FFS i can use a calculator, making the psyics probably the easiest to understand, its the condercending tone too , im a handy man because i have plenty or skills, ie electrician, joinery, Rooofing, and i actually specialise in getting homes A\V Ready and sendinf the music into each room selectable via either remote or internet, so im far from think and that was out of order, at least this way if theres no a\v work around i can do landscaping , decking , pretty much anything
 
TBServices said:
The point you're missing, is that there's more to it than soldering.

We're not in the habit of giving our trade secrets to "handymen" who will only do a poor job cos they don't understand the psychics.
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I didnt call everyone door handles just the few that didnt take the time to read properly, and I, am well aware that there is more to it than soldering theres volume\capacity throughput to meassure then i can tell if my pipe can handle the floe that the pump kicks out then theres the pipes to run away from the electricity cable, i dont appreciate you assuming that i am a handyman because i dont understand the psyics on a heating system, I'm a Fully qualified Electrician FFS i can use a calculator, making the psyics probably the easiest to understand, its the condercending tone too , im a handy man because i have plenty or skills, ie electrician, joinery, Rooofing, and i actually specialise in getting homes A\V Ready and sendinf the music into each room selectable via either remote or internet, so im far from think and that was out of order, at least this way if theres no a\v work around i can do landscaping , decking , pretty much anything

Thats why i am a handyman not so i can do shoddy work as thats how people get killed, at least theres always work year round when you diversify into general construction
 
You confess to your plumbing skills yet you don't know what size pipes to install. i.e. your plumbing skills are incomplete. Just because you say that you are a fully qualified electrician. Sounds like you should stick to what you really know and stop pretending to customers that you are a master of all.

By the way, do you do outside taps?
 
Okay, so if you're a qualified spark, you should be charging a decent rate, in which case, the homeowner has nothing to gain (but plenty to lose) by having someone who is inexperienced doing the work. Get the job done by a professional and charge the homeowner a management fee for arranging the work.

This way, they get a proper job, you get paid and the GSR isn't having his bread and butter stolen out of his mouth.
 
As we're calling each other names, here's one for you - Jack! As in Jack of all trades, master of none!!

I read all of your post, then responded appropriately!

Nobody has been condescending, far from it. You've been given advice to go back to your GSR & ask him the question as he knows the installation & all it's detailed requirements, we don't!

Off the subject slightly, I can change a car tyre, oil, windscreen wipers etc but I'm not a mechanic! I'd leave it to someone who does it day in day out as their profession!!
 
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TBServices said:
Okay, so if you're a qualified spark, you should be charging a decent rate, in which case, the homeowner has nothing to gain (but plenty to lose) by having someone who is inexperienced doing the work. Get the job done by a professional and charge the homeowner a management fee for arranging the work.

This way, they get a proper job, you get paid and the GSR isn't having his bread and butter stolen out of his mouth.
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Finally some sense thats a good idea pal , lkeaves me to concentrait on re-wiring the gaff but my Gas Guy Says he doesnt have lots of time available at the moment so i think i will follow your advice and become Project manager" so to speak and leave the C\H Till Gas man has time to fit it in. Thanks for that pal , i cant believei didnt think of that, Thaks for speaking sense, Much appreciated, Jonny Allen, Electrical Services, AES Electricians,
 
TomLane said:
As we're calling each other names, here's one for you - Jack! As in Jack of all trades, master of none!!

I read all of your post, then responded appropriately!

Nobody has been condescending, far from it. You've been given advice to go back to your GSR & ask him the question as he knows the installation & all it's detailed requirements, we don't!

Off the subject slightly, I can change a car tyre, oil, windscreen wipers etc but I'm not a mechanic! I'd leave it to someone who does it day in day out as their profession!!
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No you misunderstood, i cant get hold of my gas guy or i would have the make and model in front of me, thats why i was asking about pipe bore
I can also drive a tractor but im not taking up farming , maybe handyman is not the best word to use, Maintainance engineer is much better
 
You don't want to use the word 'engineer' on here either, they're probably just above handyman in the league table.
 
call your GSR and he will tell you , why asking here what he would want to see installed ?? we have not seen the job
 
Like everyone else reading this I can't understand why OP wasn't speaking with his GSR guy
unless he is secretly going to be doing an illegal boiler install that he is not qualified to do.
When I read on it just gets more weird...
I have known a good many electricians, they are all so well paid.
I'd definitely recommend that as the trade where the big money is!
Part P seems to be a licence to print more of it. And they are so busy I can't believe any of them would send time doing a bit of handy man stuff & plumbing.
 
TBServices said:
It only helps in the respect that we can tell you not to let him fit this pile of junk.
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OK what would you reccommend for a 3 bed terrace with 2 reception rooms kitchen and bath,
and @ miss tara i have stated numerous times that i WILL NOT TOUCH GAS PIPES, I am an electrician first and formost but while mygas fitter is awayu then im gettin as much done to the house as possible, no matter what you think im no cowboy and the reason i am using technical conslltant as a title thats coz no one can afford to get their house re-wired and anyway the only reason i am doing painting and decorating carpeting and electrical work its what we call useing your resources to their full potential i'd rather be poijnting a wall and earning £100 a day thean sat at home not eaerning anything]
 
If its a heatline google the manufacturers instructions, they are available to anyone.

then google another manufacturer as they are a turd of a boiler.
 
I thought mine was quite helpful?

the MIs will tell you everything about the boiler, how it works, installation process. Why get so worked up?
 
Ey? Bit unprovoked?

If its a combi, it'l have 22 primary connections, and 15mm hot and colds? Gas connection is 22 but obviously pipe sizing is required depending on output.

Not quite sure why nobody had answered his question? Or have I misread? I have no problems with anyone fitting hot, cold or heating pipework.... Most people are capable of doing so
 
He's just bitter. Don't worry about it, he'll be banned once the mods get home from work.
 
aes_handyman said:
they will be fine thats why you can become a plumber in 10 Wk, took me 3 yrs to become a fully qualified
sparkie including the part P
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And you can become a spark in less time
Stop being a muppet and if you don't know how to do it them ask your gas safe installer or don't he know that
 
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