open flued appliance in a bedroom

[Deleted member 44451]

hi guys , this might be a stupid question but here goes. My dear mom is about to be moved back home after a recent illness and she has now got a bed in what was the lounge. Now theres gas fire in this room and im not sure if there could be some kind of emergency shut off on the supply pipework should any co fumes build up apart from the oxypilot that is because the room is now effectively a bedroom.

 

[diamondgas]

If it were my mums home I'd fit a CO Detector for safety, explain the safety issues and know that it'll take extraordinary incidents to cause any concern; is there not a radiator in the room?

 

[lame plumber]

fire must have O2 depletion devise fm memory but best you look it up. Apart fm that, old ladies and fires dont mix, best take it out and rely on rads with covers.

 

[diamondgas]

If it were my mums. For the cost of a cheap boiler I would fit a RS one

Come across loads of fireside boilers in livingrooms become temporary 'bedrooms' Simon & ... lots of bedrooms with gas fires fitted prior to the cut of age without any safety device etc..etc... still okay! Just NCS ... the fire in question has an oxypilot, in itself gives away it's age and safety ... IMHO If the ops worried about safety then a CO detector is the best form of defence IMHO

 

[kirkgas]

Appliance in a bedroom must be room sealed if over 14kw, not likely for a fire, if under 14kw and open flued it must have a safety device, FSD type so this fire would appear to be within the regs, however as others have suggested a CO detector is advisable

 

[Reg Man]

Great post. Under the industry IUSP it states rented accommodation not privately owned and does not specify if it is room sealed or open flued. Is this temporary? In any event common sense prevails. Make sure the appliance is working safely and fit a CO alarm as a back up.

 

[Deleted member 44451]

thanks guys i was planning to fit a co alarm any way knowing me i will prob take the fire out and do the checks , just wasnt sure about the regs . just know my mom is gonna have a kip with the fire left on at some point

 

[GrahamM]

Crazy regs again!
In private accommodation if fire predates 1996, has no ASD and operating safely it is NCS.
Installed after 1996 it must have ASD in sleeping accommodation or it is AR.

As mentioned CO alarm at very least is a must.

 

[zeebeedee]

Personally I'd at risk any fire without asd in a bedroom regardless of the date of install. Sod the regs I'm covering my own back and my engineers judgement screams dodgy as hell!

 

[Roger Welton]

Worst I ever saw was a 70kW OF ideal concorde in the utility of a old vicarage down here, cust wanted it serviced (looked like the 1st time for a decade) as they had put a bed in with it for there mum as she was coming out of hospital and couldn't manage the stairs. Personally I AR'd it and shut it down, and explained the problem to the cust, they were ok and moved bed to another room.

 

[Reg Man]

Personally I'd at risk any fire without asd in a bedroom regardless of the date of install. Sod the regs I'm covering my own back and my engineers judgement screams dodgy as hell!

That's the problem with the term "Regulations are not retrospective", but you can't expect everyone to upgrade their gas/electrical and what ever other installations to fall in line with regulation changes.

 

[zeebeedee]

That's the problem with the term "Regulations are not retrospective", but you can't expect everyone to upgrade their gas/electrical and what ever other installations to fall in line with regulation changes.

Very true. That's where the at risk category comes into its own IMO. The appliance is only turned off and labeled but they sign a warning notice so if they want to ignore you and switch it back on it's there own doing.

 

[stevetheplumber]

they should drop AR and call it POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS might make people think more

 

[Reg Man]

they should drop AR and call it POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS might make people think more

Old day's quote. But now in a PC world, don't you just love it.

 

[tamz]

they should drop AR and call it POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS might make people think more

They used to call it that but i think they were frightening people so changed it :lol:

 

[kirkgas]

Personally I'd at risk any fire without asd in a bedroom regardless of the date of install. Sod the regs I'm covering my own back and my engineers judgement screams dodgy as hell!

It's not your place to over classify something, how would you classify a properly working OF boiler in a bathroom which has been in for 20 odd years?

 

[tamz]

Old fashioned :smile:

 

[Dotty]

They used to call it that but i think they were frightening people so changed it :lol:

People should be bloody scared!