JIB Do not recognise City & Guilds without NVQ

[EastLondonPlumb]

Hi all just a heads up that JIB will not issue a blue or gold skills card without a NVQ. They say the City & Guilds is just the classroom side to the qualification. To which i do not agree, on a city & guilds course you will have a practical portfolio as well as written exams. You also complete a final assessment which is exactly the same as a NVQ.

Just a heads up to all on a City & Guilds course make sure you get the NVQ.

 

[newcastle phill]

Guy. In a word yes !.

Not so sure about the lube though...
Prefer vanilla pmsl...:thumbup:

 

[julesverne]

Plumbing and Heating isn't rocket science but inspecting jet engines is not far off it.

said with tongue firmly in cheek.

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

The idea behind the only recognised plumbing qualification (C&G 6189) introduced a couple of years ago was that it was an NVQ qualification i.e. you had to be working, not just a classroom test, you combined work based learning with college.

I am sorry EastLondon but you don't know much about Plumbing if you think that you can learn enough about the trade to hold a card & work on site from just a college course!!

The trouble is that so much revenue was being lost by the colleges that they campaigned to have the college only course re-enstated but it does not make you a plumber & never can no matter what they promise you & how much money you pay! Beware of the C&G 6035 !!

I feel for you but carrying out plumbing tasks in a college is in no way the same as doing it in the work place.

I don't know much about plumbing because i have a c&g? I started that course over 8 years ago whilst working as a plumbers mate. If you think 1 assessment is more powerful then 8 years experience then i think you don't know much about plumbing either!

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

seems your the one sheep walking in a different direction to the flock old son, common knowledge, you may have soldered a few pipes but you need a bit more experience than that to be honest

So 8 years experience is not enough then?

 

[chris watkins]

I don't know much about plumbing because i have a c&g? I started that course over 8 years ago whilst working as a plumbers mate. If you think 1 assessment is more powerful then 8 years experience then i think you don't know much about plumbing either!

The problem you have EastLondon is that you want a trade skills card that shows employers that you can work as a trained plumber, I have no doubt that with your 8 years experience you could do the job but for all that the employer knows, all you have ever done is the work in the college or worked on site only as a mate, you have no proof.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of the NVQ system, site inspection visits (minimum of 4) are made & evidence is collected across a range of work areas to ensure that you have the skills to carry out all work that a plumber could be expected to do. The plumbing employer group decide what this range should be, it is most certainly NOT 1 assessment.

You can judge for yourself what I do or don't know about plumbing but what I do know about is the need to have an NVQ in plumbing, something which you didn't find out about 8 years ago.

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

The problem you have EastLondon is that you want a trade skills card that shows employers that you can work as a trained plumber, I have no doubt that with your 8 years experience you could do the job but for all that the employer knows, all you have ever done is the work in the college or worked on site only as a mate, you have no proof.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of the NVQ system, site inspection visits (minimum of 4) are made & evidence is collected across a range of work areas to ensure that you have the skills to carry out all work that a plumber could be expected to do. The plumbing employer group decide what this range should be, it is most certainly NOT 1 assessment.

You can judge for yourself what I do or don't know about plumbing but what I do know about is the need to have an NVQ in plumbing, something which you didn't find out about 8 years ago.

8 years ago i knew about it but was advised that the c&g was a recognised qualification. You are right about having the proof with the nvq. Now city and guilds have introduced a craft certificate. I was doing an apprenticeship with my course but they have not recognised that also.

I was learning from work and using that to take to college and knock out all the practical work, not using college to take to work. Soon as i had any cert saying plumbing i never looked back. College never taught me a thing. I suppose the NVQ is a good idea for proof, if i would of known 8 years ago i would of done the NVQ and not even bothered with the c&g

 

[Whyme]

So 8 years experience is not enough then?

8 years experiance maybe, would you feel comfortable having a van (right now) and doing whatever mad situation throws at you upon the front door opening..

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

8 years experiance maybe, would you feel comfortable having a van (right now) and doing whatever mad situation throws at you upon the front door opening..

The correct spelling is experience not experiance. And i ran my own business with my own van up until a year ago and did emergency call out work also.

 

[spanner]

I did the level 2 6129 plumbing which covered sheet lead using bossing sticks wedges etc. Which was discontinued. But had to do all the practical in the college 1st 2nd fix bathrooms ,soil pipe installation, air testing, guttering, open vented hot water systems, services valves isolation, etc. But ok a port folio was made as we progress. But at the end I'd say it's what you and yourself make of it.
With a foot in the door. It doesn't mean you aren't a qualified plumber
NVQ I think is quality, but you'd always be bargaining to keep a good rate and pay in most places, and are likely down the hill .. say I'm happy fortunately to work with a qualified gas engineer with C+G 6129

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

I did the level 2 6129 plumbing which covered sheet lead using bossing sticks wedges etc. Which was discontinued. But had to do all the practical in the college 1st 2nd fix bathrooms ,soil pipe installation, air testing, guttering, open vented hot water systems, services valves isolation, etc. But ok a port folio was made as we progress. But at the end I'd say it's what you and yourself make of it.
With a foot in the door. It doesn't mean you aren't a qualified plumber
NVQ I think is quality, but you'd always be bargaining to keep a good rate and pay in most places, and are likely down the hill .. say I'm happy fortunately to work with a qualified gas engineer with C+G 6129

I also have the 6129. You do cylinders also. The NVQ is not to long to get anyway, the c&g with all the exams and portfolio takes a lot more time. NVQ is a pretty quick thing, i don't know how it works these days but plumbers iv worked with got it in one day (around 2005)

 

[spanner]

Totally fast track the NVQ.. the rest is basically up to whoever after that. Well I found it means the c&g is spent doing a whole lot more theory. You must read about everything and Anything To do with the modules. I enjoyed that. But for me there's the foot in the door. Qualified and the rest is infinity.. good enough for me. At the time it was the 6129 or 6035 which never covered lead and has a lot lesser modules at level 2&3. I'm HAPPY

 

[spanner]

I've got the info from the jib.. you CAN change to the NVQ but practical assess attendant and adjustment are another £1200.. I'll ff to you inna bit as I'm at work at the mojo.. brb

 

[rocketmanbkk]

In the colleges I work in fitting a sink unit is one of the assessments, you get 3.5hrs to do it, waste boss is already there and two blanked/valves supplies, they have to work from a drawing with specific measurements for 1st leg off offsets, but not size of offset, if that makes sense, so they are assessed on pipe bending as well, rather than letting them put any size of tail on the offset etc
If a guy says he gets 8hrs I can't say he's lying, more likely he said a day, but remember a college day is only 6.5hrs and it depends how accurate they need to be

I agree, you start plumbing out in the field as I've found out!! It's a different world out there.

 

[Toggles]

Hi all just a heads up that JIB will not issue a blue or gold skills card without a NVQ. They say the City & Guilds is just the classroom side to the qualification. To which i do not agree, on a city & guilds course you will have a practical portfolio as well as written exams. You also complete a final assessment which is exactly the same as a NVQ.

Just a heads up to all on a City & Guilds course make sure you get the NVQ.

Its because JIB/ cscs certifies you as safe on site, how can they certify you if you haven't been on site ? Its where you get the best experience of putting all that classroom study into practice and also it will teach you site methods from the guys who have been at it years... A good thing!

On the bright side if you have the level 2 6035 you can now APL that against level 2 nvq 6189, start an apprenticeship now and by this time next year you could ( If with the right employer) have the full qualification that JIB wants to issue you a card
Good luck