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I am thinking about a change in career by doing a combined plumbing and gas engineering course, can any body recommend a provider or give me advice on whether the courses are worth the money.
 
A two week plastering course and three months plastering will make you a decent plasterer. Speed will increase with time and £300 in tools will suffice. A plumbing/gas course will take considerably longer, cost a great deal more and because it will take years to gain experience,employment is uncertain. If you have friends/family in the trade, who will employ you, work with them and study at local college. Otherwise research hard and think long before you spend money. Training centres are set up to make money for the trainers not the students.
 
They are not worth it mate, do some research on here for a start.

There is a guy on here called SteveWannadoGas why not PM him, he has / is going through this he might be able to give you some direct advice.
 
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The 3 trades in most demand as subbies, plastering including exterior render, tiling, amtico or similar LVT installer.
 
Tillers & Plasters are like rocking horse poo around this area and the one's that you can find charge a lot more than Plumbers, only need small van/estate car , tool outlay less than 1K, No need to keep doing courses every 5 years, as a Plaster if you take to it you could be earning good money in 12Mths, Why does everyone want to be a Plumber ??????
 
jtsplumbing said:
Tillers & Plasters are like rocking horse poo around this area and the one's that you can find charge a lot more than Plumbers, only need small van/estate car , tool outlay less than 1K, No need to keep doing courses every 5 years, as a Plaster if you take to it you could be earning good money in 12Mths, Why does everyone want to be a Plumber ??????
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Gawd knows
 
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I have been in the stone industry, a mason for many years, the job doesn't get any easier, so am thinking of getting into property development and the cost of boiler replacement is one of the biggest expenditures, so thought if I get qualified it will pay for itself after a couple of houses
 
gjb said:
I have been in the stone industry, a mason for many years, the job doesn't get any easier, so am thinking of getting into property development and the cost of boiler replacement is one of the biggest expenditures, so thought if I get qualified it will pay for itself after a couple of houses
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Really??
 
gjb said:
I have been in the stone industry, a mason for many years, the job doesn't get any easier, so am thinking of getting into property development and the cost of boiler replacement is one of the biggest expenditures, so thought if I get qualified it will pay for itself after a couple of houses
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A full bathroom install is more money...
 
Thats funny cos I have an old church building & was thinking of doing a short course in stone masonry & craving to save myself a fortune replacing the damage stuff, do they do one say about 6 weeks or so that would allow me to do it all ?



P.S. I already have a few of my own tools & a second hand apron!!
 
I have just installed a full bathroom including tiling with excellent finish , very modern for £1200. Try getting a new boiler fitted for that price?
 
How about being a pilot!? That's 100K +... just an idea...
 
gjb said:
I have just installed a full bathroom including tiling with excellent finish , very modern for £1200. Try getting a new boiler fitted for that price?
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I'd love to see pics!! All those in favor say aye?!
 
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Sorry, what was the question again? :sifone:
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...thinking about getting on a combined plumbing & gas engineering course and getting into property development...
 
Seriously, gjb.
Do the maths:- 6 months training + 6 months loss of income + Tools, Insurance,Gas safe registration is going, if successful, to set you back 30K.
Maximum saving doing your own installs £500.
You're going to need a 60 unit property empire to break even.
Talk to people in the trade. On a full refurb. Labour cost of plastering normally exceeds that of gas work.
 
Why do folks think property development is easy? Another example of uneducated expectation. The only real way to make proper money in property is to buy property that cannot be mortgaged so you need a substantial pot of cash or a whopping overdraft. Then you cannot sell it on until you've owned it for a minimum of 6 months due to the money laundering act, even then you will need to open your books to the lender to prove the increase in value, then you've got capital gains tax, and an increase in land registry fee if it's a rental. Yeah it's dead easy! Then your up against all the amateurs that don't do the sums!
 
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Just aswell I don't need to take out a mortgage then..and :nono: has that to do with my original question?
 
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gjb said:
Just aswell I don't need to take out a mortgage then..and :nono: has that to do with my original question?
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Just an advice...
 
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you clearly think that you are the only one that understands the financials on property development? It certainly doesn't come across as advise, rather too condescending me thinks
 
gjb said:
you clearly think that you are the only one that understands the financials on property development? It certainly doesn't come across as advise, rather too condescending me thinks
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Condescending! What in the same way that you think you can learn my trade in a few months & start installing correctly?

Excuse us if we get a bit up tight.

Now go do your research as to what is actually involved or loose some money to a mick mouse training company who will tell you all you want to hear about getting on the GSR and stop wasting peoples time.

I am out of here.

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Hi gjb, the likes of post #3 have given good advice and more can be found on this subject by using the little search box (top right hand corner).

Maybe these quick crash courses will suit you as you will be working solely in property that you own but generally they will not make you a full blown plumber capable of earning £*** a year. Perhaps St Google is your friend as I don`t think you have ever stated where you live and lastly when the mods see a thread going nowhere and members swearing they tend to shut it down.
 
Ooo, I didn't ask you to either read nor reply to my posting and I am certainly not as ignorant to believe that I can learn a trade in a matter if months or even years, I am a stone Mason and as such am only to aware of it takes a life time to truly know a trade.
You clearly are not a happy person if you only wish to berate others who are just seeking advice from those that have more knowledge than them.
 
Amongst the replies is a genuine desire not to see money wasted on courses that promise much and deliver little. Some are designed with inbuilt failure criteria and minimal feedback so the student blames himself for lack of progress, whilst course takes even more money for numerous resits before core subject is even taught. I wish you well and urge caution in equal measure.
 
A voice of reason, many thanks, already decided it is not the way to go, guess I will have to bite the bullet and employ a professional. Just like to do things myself, far more satisfying.
 
I'm glad you got some ideas. In plumbing and gas business, one calls a spade a spade.
 
Like it! Fuel-burning apparatus person calls an earth-inverting horticultural implement an earth-inverting horticultural implement.

Hey, Ray! I wanted to get Baxi Platinum combi and your boys are telling me – We don’t do them. Is it right!?
 
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AlexGas said:
Hey, Ray! I wanted to get Baxi Platinum combi and your boys are telling me – We don’t do them. Is it right!?
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Afraid not Alex.

Well, to be specific, we could get you one, but it would be ridiculously expensive as we would have to buy it as a single purchase, and we prefer not to do that.

We can do you a great line in Worcester, Vaillant, Ideal, Glowworm, Intergas, Main, or Baxi 200 or Baxi 400 series, but Baxi go out of their way to make it hard for most independents to sell Duotec and Platinum at a competitive price.
 
gjb said:
I am thinking about a change in career by doing a combined plumbing and gas engineering course, can any body recommend a provider or give me advice on whether the courses are worth the money.
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Forget plumbing/gas
Start up a monumental mason business (headstones etc)
If you are a stone mason it wouldn't be much of a step I don't suppose
The ones that are around me are constantly busy and have a waiting time of 6/8 months
Come to think of it, I'll swap you my tools for yours :smart:
 
Thanks, did that for a number of years but have carpal tunnel syndrome which means I can no longer hold a chisel all day.
 
Not worth doing the quick courses, they'll teach you everything and make you do exams whilst it's fresh in your mind. By the time you take the second exam you would have forgotten about the first lot and so on. Get started on a course and go work for someone who is experienced and willing to help you. Apprentices and beginners cost a lot in screw ups so no many one man bands would take you on apply for big companies and show your keen. It's not an easy trade
 
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Thanks, did that for a number of years but have carpal tunnel syndrome which means I can no longer hold a chisel all day.
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For my twopennys worth if you have hand problems then this is not the trade for you
 
chris watkins said:
They are not worth it mate, do some research on here for a start.

There is a guy on here called SteveWannadoGas why not PM him, he has / is going through this he might be able to give you some direct advice.
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He`s passed it. :) (And past it)!
 
jtsplumbing said:
Tillers & Plasters are like rocking horse poo around this area and the one's that you can find charge a lot more than Plumbers, only need small van/estate car , tool outlay less than 1K, No need to keep doing courses every 5 years, as a Plaster if you take to it you could be earning good money in 12Mths, Why does everyone want to be a Plumber ??????
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Because plumbers can do emergency work that pays very well. Plastering is rarely an emergency.
 
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