Boiler I. D. For high reading on analysers

[Millsy 82]

The change was brought about because the Coroner said that AR should be treated as more serious than was the case. If you read his statement, I think he meant that EVERYTHING we consider AR or ID should be ID. His proposals were watered down somewhat

What they should of done was put it like an mot fail or advisory but as usual gas safe messed it up.

 

[firemant]

What they should of done was put it like an mot fail or advisory but as usual gas safe messed it up.

TBF, gasSafe do not make up the rules. They are simply the masters of the roll.

 

[Matt0029]

The ratio on at least one of the boilers that was condemned was 0.009.

 

[Burger]

The ratio on at least one of the boilers that was condemned was 0.009.

Was it condemned or just turned off? AR usually gets turned off unless turning off doesn’t remove the risk. Did you investigate the cause?

 

[Matt0029]

It was condemned the gas was capped off. After also seeing the flue on that one I didn't and advised on a new boiler. The landlord has other boilers that have been condemned/capped for high emissions were the flues are not corrode though.

 

[firemant]

Not flueless, open flued such as a back boiler.

No. Flueless in this context IS flueless. Flued will cover RS & OF

 

[Matt0029]

It was condemned the gas was capped off. After also seeing the flue on that one I didn't and advised on a new boiler. The landlord has other boilers that have been condemned/capped for high emissions were the flues are not corrode though.

I Have another one to look at with a high reading but the flue isn't totally corroded. So will be investigating the cause on this.

 

[firemant]

"At risk" is a strange term, at risk of what, who, when?

Too many think it means "At Risk of something in the far future when there could be a yellow moon, but basically I don't like the look of it, and don't have the confidence to decide I can leave it running, rather than risk hypothermia".

 

[Matt0029]

The boiler that I swapped had a ratio of 0.0092. And 678 Co ppm reading. With these kind of readings I presume it rules out a good clean of the burner etc, would fix?

 

[bacon_sandwich]

eeek, i would be yanking my probe out with those readings... lol

 

[Burger]

The boiler that I swapped had a ratio of 0.0092. And 678 Co ppm reading. With these kind of readings I presume it rules out a good clean of the burner etc, would fix?

Not necessarily, I don’t get too many with high readings and they usually just want adjusting. In your instance though they may need a thorough investigation or new boiler?

 

[firemant]

The boiler that I swapped had a ratio of 0.0092. And 678 Co ppm reading. With these kind of readings I presume it rules out a good clean of the burner etc, would fix?

Why would a proper clean not have a chance?

 

[Matt0029]

Sorry to add to this thread again. I spoke to an older gas engineer about these boilers being condemned for high analayser readings. Alpha he 25s. He stated on a boiler of this age you don't need to analyse them when doing a landlord check. Anyone agree with this?

 

[Matt0029]

I think his reasoning was as this boilers don't have air/gas ratio valves on them.

 

[Burger]

Matt,

You need to be reading the Mi’s on these boilers, this will, then tell you whether to analyse or not.

 

[Matt0029]

Thanks the boiler does have ports for analysing so lead me to believe you'd be ment to.

 

[Burger]

Thanks the boiler does have ports for analysing so lead me to believe you'd be ment to.

Mine does, but iirc don’t need to analyse.

 

[Matt0029]

Iirc?

 

[Burger]

Iirc?

Sorry it’s an abbreviation - if I recall correctly

 

[Matt0029]

Thanks in the instructions it says nothing about analysing, it just saying in the benchmark if manufacturer requires analysing record ratio.

 

[Burger]

Thanks in the instructions it says nothing about analysing, it just saying in the benchmark if manufacturer requires analysing record ratio.

Exactly, so no need to.

 

[Matt0029]

I rang Alpha technical up, and asked about the need to analyse this type of boiler. They said yes and I needed to be getting a ratio of less then 0.003 and less than 200pm. Which is less then the standard.