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hi does anyone know when the college tutors are meeting with city and guilds to decide what is going on with 6129 replacement ? thanks
 
there no replaemnt for the 6129 mate, only the 6089 called the 6189
no tech cert replaceemnt only an nvq replacement
 
heard today that they may extend the funding for the current quals until december
 
i rang my college tutor today to get an update on the new course,

he has told me he is 98% sure the new framework wich we have all heard about will come into play in september, but until the goverment take there fingers out there a**e nothing STILL is certain.

on the funding side of things at my college there will be no funding for the course, unless you are in/on an approved apprenticeship.

also my college will not be doing a full time course only day realease course.

as always once i get more info i will post on here to let you all know.
 
andyg0507 said:
i rang my college tutor today to get an update on the new course,

he has told me he is 98% sure the new framework wich we have all heard about will come into play in september, but until the goverment take there fingers out there a**e nothing STILL is certain.

on the funding side of things at my college there will be no funding for the course, unless you are in/on an approved apprenticeship.

also my college will not be doing a full time course only day realease course.

as always once i get more info i will post on here to let you all know.
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cheers andy, is that a big change for your colege? which is it?
 
yes its a big difference, for as long as i can remember theres always been a a full time course, and with the other courses now not being funded leaves me in a prediciment(couldnt spell it if i tried) ive already forked out to start my gas course in september at a cost of £800, then after ive completed that there's £1500 + for my core and appliances, so whilst im getting regular gas work with the bloke im working with and someone who's teaching me the ropes do i stick with the gas course, and continue the plumbing next year, or just go for the plumbing, cant realyy do both cause it will cost me over 4k in total:confused:
 
andyg0507 said:
yes its a big difference, for as long as i can remember theres always been a a full time course, and with the other courses now not being funded leaves me in a prediciment(couldnt spell it if i tried) ive already forked out to start my gas course in september at a cost of £800, then after ive completed that there's £1500 + for my core and appliances, so whilst im getting regular gas work with the bloke im working with and someone who's teaching me the ropes do i stick with the gas course, and continue the plumbing next year, or just go for the plumbing, cant realyy do both cause it will cost me over 4k in total:confused:
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many people on here have said they are already on a 6129 from sep this year, not sure whats gonna happen there!!!!
 
fuzzy said:
many people on here have said they are already on a 6129 from sep this year, not sure whats gonna happen there!!!!
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The 6129 tc and 6089 nvq are being replaced by curriculum qulaification framework (cqf) called the 6189. I have spoken to C&G at length about this and they said that the new 6189 is still in the development stage, and people will still be able to enrol on either the 6129 or 6089 until december 2010. People who start the 6129 will have 2 years to complete the course, and then instead of going on to do the 6089 nvq, they will start the new 6189 level 2. The new 6189 will be split into levels 1 and 2. Level 1 will be for people who have not done the 6129 tech cert and level 2 for people who have either 6129 level 2 or 6189 level 1.
As the new 6189 is a framework based qualification, anybody who has done the 6129 will have already covered all the framework modules of the new 6189 level 1, and will go on to do level 2 which is an nvq.

To do the new 6189 level 1, you do not need to be employed.
However to continue onto the level 2 you need a work placement.

Under the current set-up, a person can do the 6129 level 2 and then legally work as a plumber. With the new 6189, if you only do the level 1, which is basically the same as the current 6129, you will not be able to work in the industry.
The idea behind this is to stop people just doing the 6129 and then setting up on their own without doing the NVQ, with very little or no experience and a very basic qualification.

As for funding for the 6129 starting this September.....I don't know.
 
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jpemberton said:
The 6129 tc and 6089 nvq are being replaced by curriculum qulaification framework (cqf) called the 6189. I have spoken to C&G at length about this and they said that the new 6189 is still in the development stage, and people will still be able to enrol on either the 6129 or 6089 until december 2010. People who start the 6129 will have 2 years to complete the course, and then instead of going on to do the 6089 nvq, they will start the new 6189 level 2. The new 6189 will be split into levels 1 and 2. Level 1 will be for people who have not done the 6129 tech cert and level 2 for people who have either 6129 level 2 or 6189 level 1.
As the new 6189 is a framework based qualification, anybody who has done the 6129 will have already covered all the framework modules of the new 6189 level 1, and will go on to do level 2 which is an nvq.

To do the new 6189 level 1, you do not need to be employed.
However to continue onto the level 2 you need a work placement.

Under the current set-up, a person can do the 6129 level 2 and then legally work as a plumber. With the new 6189, if you only do the level 1, which is basically the same as the current 6129, you will not be able to work in the industry.
The idea behind this is to stop people just doing the 6129 and then setting up on their own without doing the NVQ, with very little or no experience and a very basic qualification.

As for funding for the 6129 starting this September.....I don't know.
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sorry mate but this post in inacurate

the 6189 is level 2 and level 3, there is no 6189 level 1 at all.
the new course is not a framework, a framework refers to an apprenticeship framework and includes functional skills along with the main qualification. It is however to be a unitised qual which is part of the new QCF as opposed to the old NQF it is replaceing. The 6189 wil be called a diploma but will probably still include the acronym NVQ so people recognise the brand. people with a 6129 level 2 can go onto the new 6189 level 3 if they complete the 2 on site units at level 2 first.

the issues are not around the registration dates of the qual but the funding, that is the key element
 
got a meeting with one of my tutuors in the morning regarding funding for the said course, ile get as much info as possible for everyone and post 2morrow evening.
 
im at a crucial stage myself too chaps, done both tecs 2/3 - (over 3 yrs at college)most of way through nvq2.....need to learn if therell be an nvq3 to go on to (got to get this done as im self employed- so no sponsored diploma for me!) - so ill be following the news from your meeting andy - cheers moore
 
hi lads well had the meeting with the tutor and bascially the new framework will come into play in september as ive stated before, and the day release course will get funding as will people in apprenticeships, this is at my college so dont know about others, also there will be no full time course at my college, the reason for this being to many people start the course and cant finish it due to not having work based evidence.

i did ask about funding regarding other colleges and from what he knows it should be the same across the board.

hope this helps.
 
i was told that the only courses are the diplomas which need you to be employed or at least get on site eveidnece to complete. without it you fail and therefore you cannot get funding for a course you cannot pass. this pretty much does away with all full time courses and leaves only apprenticeships
 
yes your right fuzzy, thats what i was implying (i think) been a long day, airlock hell:mad:

just to ad fuzzy its not only apprenticeships wich are eligible for funding, as long as you have an employer you should be ok.

thats what ive been told anyway mate
 
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andyg0507 said:
yes your right fuzzy, thats what i was implying (i think) been a long day, airlock hell:mad:

just to ad fuzzy its not only apprenticeships wich are eligible for funding, as long as you have an employer you should be ok.

thats what ive been told anyway mate
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if you have an employer you will be put on an apprenticeship, regardless of age
 
not strictly true fuzzy, you do not need just to be on an apprenticeship to get on the course, i for one am not on an apprenticeship and wont be when i start the course in september, i am self employed but have constant work with a gsr/plumber wich enables me to start the course.
 
andyg0507 said:
not strictly true fuzzy, you do not need just to be on an apprenticeship to get on the course, i for one am not on an apprenticeship and wont be when i start the course in september, i am self employed but have constant work with a gsr/plumber wich enables me to start the course.
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oh i see, i would still consider it an apprenticeship of sorts as you will get the sam etraining and evidence from the process
 
This is all quite confusing. Does anyone know what will happen if I join a 6129 course before december? Can I complete the whole course and carry out domestic plumbing legally after if I dont manage to find an employer for the NVQ 2?
 
once registered on a programme you are ok, december is the last date of registration not completion.
you dont need anything to be work as a plumber 6129 or nvq. to be a plumber the industry recognises nvq3 as the main standard
 
Thanks fuzzy. So say I completed 6129, where would I go from there as I'm not sure wether NVQ2 will still even exist?
 
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I was getting a load of contradictory info about the changes to the courses from my local colleges so I emailed C&G. Here’s the reply I got:


Thank you for contacting City & Guilds Customer Relations.

The new 6189 is a hybrid qualification that combines both the technical certificate and the NVQ. It consists of: knowledge based units assessed by GOLA, combination units assessed by GOLA and in-centre practical tasks and work based units, assessed by portfolio of evidenced and a project.

Therefore, in order to achieve the full qualification the learner will have to pass also the work based units.

If a learner completes the 6129 and then decides to move on to 6189, they will need to take the 6189 work based units
Should you require any further assistance please don't hesitate to contact the Customer Relations team on 0844 543 0033.
Yours sincerely
Customer Relations Advisor
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T: Centres +44 (0) 844 543 0000
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the work based units are effectively the NVQ and the other stuff the 6129, as they say its basically combined the 2, is this better?
 
Think once 6129 has finished then only apprentice route open - maybe bridging course to get on to diploma but wont be distance learning or part time
 
just a bit of an update for anyone wanting to know about the 6129.

had a 2 hour disscussion with the head of department tonight and to cut a long story short, the last registration date for the nvq(6089) has changed from the 31st of december 2010 to the 31st march 2011, there will be no way you can transfer what you have already done onto the new diploma(6189) so if you havnt got employment or someone with the correct quals there is no way you can complete the full level 2(6129&6089) or be accepted onto the new diploma which i am told will begin in january, also just to add the 6219 will be officially scrapped in june 2012 regardless of if you have finished the course or not.

hope this helps.

andy.
 
Andy

Heard roughly the same but think there may be bridging courses or something to help people who are half way through. Either way think the training providers will be severly hit as also any new course offered will have to be validated and be what people want.
 
not heard bout the registration being extended for the nvq? very odd, they run hand in hand
 
the tutor said last night that this was solid infomation, the last reg date for the nvq is 31st of march not the 31st of december, and there will be no bridging unit whatso ever, if you cant complete the nvq side of things you will have to start the diploma from scratch.

if i hear any more i will let you all know.
 
Hi All , well as i understand things.....the 6129 will still run untill 2012 but no new registrations are being taken, so if you are on this one you will have time to complete it . The full NVQ 6129 & 6089 are still being enrolled untill march 2011 and will run for the full length of the course i.e 2 years . im sure the same rules will remain in force for the 6089 ( you have 5 years to complete this from date of registration) so i am quite sure that if you only have the 6129 and get employed before march 2011 you will still have time to complete this . I know there are lots of plumbers signing up with colleges at the moment with just the 6129 rushing to get their 6089.
Colin
 
does anyone have a link to the new registration dates for the nvq please?

also, it was my understanding that you would be credited with your 6129 units against the new diploma, if this is now not the case it is a big big decision by summitskills!
 
fuzzy, when i go into college ile have a word with the tutor and ask him if he will allow me to post the info he recieved from summit skills/ city & guilds.

from what he said the other night summit skills are being very petty regarding the 6129&6089 and if it was up to them they would of scraped all together and just rolled out the new course, but things aren't always that simple as we all know.
 
the qual should have been out by now, thats not summitskils problem thats the awading bodys, ie C&G's. they get the criteria and then write the course. it is their fault they are behind, but trying to blame somebody else
 
[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/48700.html"]December 2009: Plumbing (6089 and 6129)[/DLMURL]

this is the only info i can find on the registration dates?
 
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Hi fuzzy where about up north are you ? i heard the same thing the 6129 is going to run until march 2011 from my college tutor.
 
yes it will run until 2011 but your mixing up registration dates and certification dates. obviously the certification date has to give time for people to acheive who have been registered. so the first date we must note is the registration date which as far as i am still aware is december 2010, the certification dates i think are 18months for the 6129 and 3 years for the 6089, but no NEW candidates can register
 
anyone give me a link to the new registration dates posted, i stil cannot find proof
 
fuzzy i am just waiting to get the info off the college tutor and will post on here, there is nothing on the websites regarding this issue as yet, what my tutor has is an update to trainning centres and colleges from city &guilds, as soon as i get it ile post for you 2 see, but from a students point of view we have to with what the tutors are telling us if that makes sense.
 
i saw an update today on the guilds website, said they are taking registrations until Marhc, still unclear if its funded till march, presume it is. for colleges it makes little diference as most groups start in september, theyll have to run the new one then anyway
 
So forgive me but are you saying that there is no point me signing up to a 6129 in the next few months as by time i complete it i will not be allowed to go self employed.
Also obtaining the 6089 will no longer be possible even though a mate who has a plumbing company was going to give me some work so i could complete my assessments.
I don't want to fork out 5k+ for nothing.
 
you may be able to use the 6129 to contribute towards the new diploma if your mate takes you on.

why does getting a 6129 or not have to do with going self employed? the 6129 isnt a full qualificTION BUT MEANT TO BE A STEPPING STONE TO THE NVQ. hit caps lock! you can go self employed plumbing with no quals
 
I have spoke with Trade Qualified and they say the 6129-02 / 6022 & 6032 are being incorporated into one, these are all part of the PPC2 offered by them so your coursework etc will all change with it.
Should i still go with these i have seen various other threads/posts where people have said the paperwork was not complete, whereas others have raved about it, i suppose you get good and bad in everything i just don't want the bad. I am close to starting so advice is really important whether to go with them or not, they have even invited me to their workshop to see where i would be doing my in house training ATL in southampton, which can't be a bad thing.
 
dont know the 6022 and 6032, sound like the pipework copper tube courses that are not full quals anyway. what i think they mean is that the 6129 and 6089 is being merged inot one diploma. you still need work to get through and yes this will come into affect from November although registration on old/current courses are valid until April 2011 and you have about 2 years to complete.

Hope this helps you mate, anything else i can help with?
 
fuzzy said:
dont know the 6022 and 6032, sound like the pipework copper tube courses that are not full quals anyway. what i think they mean is that the 6129 and 6089 is being merged inot one diploma. you still need work to get through and yes this will come into affect from November although registration on old/current courses are valid until April 2011 and you have about 2 years to complete.

Hope this helps you mate, anything else i can help with?
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The 6022 is Domestic Copper Pipework Installation and the 6032 Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance & Design, they are being combined with the 6129-02 L2 Tech Certificate into one.
This is all ok if you want to be self employed but i agree you need to be employed to do the 6089 NVQ Level 2, which if i am right is being incorporated into a Diploma with the first mentioned qualification.
What that means to the 6129 on it's own i don't know.
Apparently it will still be recognized as a pre requisite should you want to go on and do the Diploma at a later date.
 
6032 and 6022 will probably be part of the 6129 anyway so dont see how they are merging them, sounds like they are just dropping all 3 along with the NVQ to make the diploma
 
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