No cold water in bathroom after changing toilet? Help

[jase158]

just like to mention that the reason he should get a plumber is because he hasn't got the tools and not willing to buy them either, could of been a quick fix with the right tools and could of reused tools when replacing basin and kitchen sink i.e. and learnt a lot too.
however if you are not willing to buy tools for the job then you cant do the job.

cant paint a wall without a paint brush. cant fix a car without a ratchet.

however to all those that are not willing to help this guy and decide to be rude, then get off this forum, I am fed up of plumbers bullying people like this on this forum and getting away with it, this is supposed to be a respectable forum and I got told off for using XXXX instead of swearing, however there are loads of "plumbers arm members" who are free to bully and intimidate at will. if you aren't willing to help then get off the forum.

 

[SimonJohns]

just like to mention that the reason he should get a plumber is because he hasn't got the tools and not willing to buy them either, could of been a quick fix with the right tools and could of reused tools when replacing basin and kitchen sink i.e. and learnt a lot too.
however if you are not willing to buy tools for the job then you cant do the job.

cant paint a wall without a paint brush. cant fix a car without a ratchet.

however to all those that are not willing to help this guy and decide to be rude, then get off this forum, I am fed up of plumbers bullying people like this on this forum and getting away with it, this is supposed to be a respectable forum and I got told off for using XXXX instead of swearing, however there are loads of "plumbers arm members" who are free to bully and intimidate at will. if you aren't willing to help then get off the forum.

We have helped. If you read through all the posts. I believe that the use of a wet vac has been suggested. And also how to check the gate valve is working. Also about forcing the air out using the mains water.
What more can we do???

The reason why we have stopped helping is because of the rudeness and stubborn attitude of not listening to what we are saying to him

 

[jase158]

We have helped. If you read through all the posts. I believe that the use of a wet vac has been suggested. And also how to check the gate valve is working. Also about forcing the air out using the mains water.
What more can we do???

The reason why we have stopped helping is because of the rudeness and stubborn attitude of not listening to what we are saying to him

Still no reason to be rude, if he doesnt listen then leave him to it and don't post rude comments.

 

[Guest123]

Still no reason to be rude, if he doesnt listen then leave him to it and don't post rude comments.

I agree. Courtesy is free.

In these times of economic uncertainty and slow work in the industry, surely when someone comes on the forum looking for advice, their must be a plumber on this forum living close by that can offer to pop round and do the job.

 

[Phil]

Personally speaking I can normally get rid of airlocks by just turning on all outlets supplied by the tank outlet, the pipework must have a high spot in the loft if it is an airlock.

Are you sure the gate valve IS open? I've lost count of how many customers have told me a gate valve is fine and works and turns out not to be the case.

 

[jase158]

Basically all I am saying is that there may be times when people need to be told, "you need a plumber" or "don't do it" but cant we respect each other, personnaly reading the posts on here I would never employ a plumber from here for fear of him being rude and cocky, why is it the few bad ones on here really have to lower the tone on here for the rest of us.

 

[Gray0689]

Well I say it as I see it if that offends then it's tough

 

[jase158]

Personally speaking I can normally get rid of airlocks by just turning on all outlets supplied by the tank outlet, the pipework must have a high spot in the loft if it is an airlock.

Are you sure the gate valve IS open? I've lost count of how many customers have told me a gate valve is fine and works and turns out not to be the case.

Does seem like some sort of blocksge, due to the fact that he is getting a little trickle of water coming through, which is building up, air locks are usually absolutely no water.

I would follow pipes down to bathroom, maybe something was turned off in the rush to get water off after water came gushing out, that has been completely forgotten about. I do it all the time., forget boiler was switched off and wait for water to get hot, i.e.

 

[Phil]

How many plumbers does it take to do a simple job?

Answer: One to do the job, and twenty to argue about it on the internet.

:rolleyes4:

 

[jase158]

Hopefully it's all gone wrong

If I could stop everyone on here helping you I would. Because the knowledge we have is very expensive. And I think it's about time you started to pay for it

These are the comments I am talking about, how is this in anyway helpful and then the OP was told off for giving as good as he gets with comments like "try not giving attitude when asking for help"

should the OP should just take grief from you guys and accept it?

 

[Phil]

Or it could be that the gate was letting by anyway and its just sheared 'closed'?

Had that before.

 

[Hybrid]

When a poster asks for free advice from a tradesman, effectively costing themselves or another plumber a paying gig, they should be a little humble and appreciative of the fact that we do it and in our free time. As it happens the OP saw the sense in getting a plumber in but I don't think anyone was particularly rude. If you have such delicate sensibilities then a job in this industry is probably not a good fit.

Some of us work 7.30am till 9pm trying to navigate the minefield that is penny pinching, deceitful "customers", merchants trying it on, quoting for free for jobs you don't get because the customer always goes with the cheapest, being robbed at the petrol pump and so on and so on.
Giving advice for free is something we do out of kindness, is not an obligation.

Sorry if you take offence to this but you won't make it as a plumber being so soft. If you are serious about being a plumber start looking at this as your industry too. It's a business, not a public service.

 

[LegionellaSlave]

Hopefully it's all gone wrong

If I could stop everyone on here helping you I would. Because the knowledge we have is very expensive. And I think it's about time you started to pay for it

Must admit, I did burst out laughing when I read this

 

[< 0.004 = :-)]

Why do all these posts start 'I'm new to all this' Thats why theres plumbers. Having said that,

There is a chance the valve in the loft you've been playing with has snapped inside and will never open,

This is presuming that you've turned the cold water off leaving the tank.

If it is open it is an air lock. If you go down to the kitchen you can put your hand over the kitchen tap (spout) open the hot first then the cold do this for about 10 minutes and that will allow the cold mains to feed the rest of the house.

If this doesn't work connect up the cold on the washing machine connector to the hot washing machine connector turn them both on and for about 10 minutes this will clear the air lock.

not sure how that s going to work mate . doubt blasting the main up the hot supply in the kitchen going to clear it an airlock in the cold supply ?

fair enough if it was his hot that was affected though , but short blasts are in order , split a HWC when my time wasn t long out leaving the main running with the wm valves linked up, ouch !

if you aint got a wet vac , but have a shifting spanner , go up to attic, close cold supply gate valve . one of a pair of red handled valves somewhere near the base of the tank, ones the cold supply , others the cold feed to your HW cylinder . to find out which is which get the mrs to run a hot tap while you close one of the valves , if she tells you the flow is slowing down then that s the cold feed to hwc, get your mrs to close the hot tap ,open the red handled valve back up and label it cold feed, close the other red handled valve at the base of the tank(cold supply) .
now get your mrs to open all the cold taps in the bathroom and flush the wc ,leave all the taps open , confirm the dribble you ve been getting has stopped as you ve now isolated the cold supply to the bathroom . now disconnect the outlet side of the cold supply gate valve in the attic, pull the pipe out the valve , get your lips around it and blow as hard as you can ! you ll here it gurgling and spurting out the bathroom taps, keep blowing untill theres hardly any resistance when you blow, reconnect the pipe to the gate valve, tighten back up , open valve back up, full flow at taps and wc cistern again, job done.

£30 is cheap , times are tight but just to cover time, diesel, overheads i d be £70, and you wouldn t be seeing me till monday evening

all the best

 

[Gray0689]

Thanks a lot Simon, def wouldn't employ you anyway if that's all you got a say don't post mate? System 3 bang on same thing again same thing yes I know how to force the air out just don't have a wet vac. Any forcing it from the kitchen tap hot first then cold dont seem to work as the pressure is really fast hopefully will all right itself again, thanks system 3

No need for that either if the op don't like what someone says then they should just ignore and carry on looking for help
Freedom ad speech and all that lol

 

[jase158]

When a poster asks for free advice from a tradesman, effectively costing themselves or another plumber a paying gig, they should be a little humble and appreciative of the fact that we do it and in our free time. As it happens the OP saw the sense in getting a plumber in but I don't think anyone was particularly rude. If you have such delicate sensibilities then a job in this industry is probably not a good fit.

Some of us work 7.30am till 9pm trying to navigate the minefield that is penny pinching, deceitful "customers", merchants trying it on, quoting for free for jobs you don't get because the customer always goes with the cheapest, being robbed at the petrol pump and so on and so on.
Giving advice for free is something we do out of kindness, is not an obligation.

Sorry if you take offence to this but you won't make it as a plumber being so soft. If you are serious about being a plumber start looking at this as your industry too. It's a business, not a public service.

Bit confused, he is asking for free advice, I want to pay for my advice, where do I pay?

I am not delicate, I just can't stand the rudeness on this forum, this is just the tip of the iceberg, rudeness because people can't spell, get their words wrong, get mixed up, yes this is fair enough in a building site i.e. but not on a so called "respectable forum"

How is it costing you money? you arent giving up work to be on here are you? you aint loosing anything from giving out advice and probably it is helping you by giving you something to do when you are bored. so no he shouldn't be appreciative in my opinion.

he has asked for advice, you gave him the advice and he asked for more advice which to you made no sense. however to him it made sense and for his courage to give it a go and try something new he has been knocked down and been ripped apart for it. no this is not my belief of what a forum should be. should somebody be a little bit less knowlegeable then you then you should appreciate this and help that little more.
Seems like plumbers on here would slam the door on a blind man.

Now I have had several comments on here saying that I am too soft, I am not a good plumber because I don't be rude or joke about other peoples unfortunate situations and that the world isnt as nice as I think it should be.

I honestly know this but after receiving infractions for swearing, being told not to xxxxxx instead of swearing and being told there are strict rules on this forum, I do not understand how "plumbers arms" plumbers get away with being rude and bullying people when I got absolutely ripped into for swearing? does not make sense.

And this forum is a public service, you are helping out other plumbers "for free" and helping out the public and you may get help back. When did it become a business?

please get off your high horse and understand "forum" means "an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest."

Not ......
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.

 

[jase158]

No need for that either if the op don't like what someone says then they should just ignore and carry on looking for help
Freedom ad speech and all that lol

Purely defending himself against previous comment which had no reference to OP questions.

He didnt help matters but he has been attacked and is defending himself.

 

[Gray0689]

Jase if you feel that strongly that the members on here are not your cup of tea your free to leave at any time

 

[jase158]

When a poster asks for free advice from a tradesman, effectively costing themselves or another plumber a paying gig, they should be a little humble and appreciative of the fact that we do it and in our free time. As it happens the OP saw the sense in getting a plumber in but I don't think anyone was particularly rude. If you have such delicate sensibilities then a job in this industry is probably not a good fit.

Some of us work 7.30am till 9pm trying to navigate the minefield that is penny pinching, deceitful "customers", merchants trying it on, quoting for free for jobs you don't get because the customer always goes with the cheapest, being robbed at the petrol pump and so on and so on.
Giving advice for free is something we do out of kindness, is not an obligation.

Sorry if you take offence to this but you won't make it as a plumber being so soft. If you are serious about being a plumber start looking at this as your industry too. It's a business, not a public service.

Maybe I will never make it as a plumber but I will never charge for advice, never moan that I only get 1 out of 10 quotes, work 24 hours straight if I have to and just accept that petrol costs what it cost, life is way too short ot worry about these small things, every time I have finnished at 9pm, it has been because of my own mistake and usually get a nice tip for putting that little bit extra effort in.
Advice doesnt cost me anything and I wouldn't charge the customer for it either. How many times have you complained that your quote was the most expensive and the customer went with it, if you are loosing that many jobs then you need to look at your prices compared to others in your area.
I would travel to the other side of the country to just give advice, for just the cost of petrol if it helped somebody out.

The reason most are on this forum is to make themselves feel better, thinking that they have helped somebody out, how much will you pay for that? it is not a duty to be on this website but it was your choice, if you don't want to give advice then go somewhere else to bully people.

And if we can help the public to do the small jobs, then they will be more willing to call a plumber to do the bigger jobs, if we bully them into calling a plumber then they will simply lie so that you think they have sorted it and then go and read a book or do a course on Plumbing. I hope one of these guys you bully turns out to be your mechanic, fixed your breaks mate, £2000, have a nice drive.

 

[jase158]

Jase if you feel that strongly that the members on here are not your cup of tea your free to leave at any time

But its not all of them, just a handful of them. some are here for the right reasons and some are clearly on here to simply bully.
makes me sick to be part of such a community

 

[Gray0689]

I don't bully anyone and if you think that's bullying then I don't know

 

[WaterTight]

you can't avoid the ocassional bit of rudeness on internet forums. it's the anonymity that does it. i think this is a far more civilised and polite place for comments than many places i've visited - even the rudeness is usually accompanied by a humouress edge. have you read the comments under youtube videos? unbelievable how bullying and offensive some people are.

i would prescribe a beer jase, i think you've permitted too big a bee to get under your bonnet over this one.

 

[Hybrid]

How is it costing you money? you arent giving up work to be on here are you? you aint loosing anything from giving out advice and probably it is helping you by giving you something to do when you are bored. so no he shouldn't be appreciative in my opinion.

If you can't grasp this then you'll never make it in any walk of life. My mortgage being paid relies on people paying me for my knowledge and expertise. With the free distribution of information afforded by the internet my (and your) pool of work is shrinking.
Not knowing how to do something is no longer and obstacle for the diyer. Now our customers consist of those too busy, too lazy and physically incapable of doing the work.

Our knowledge allows me to cloth and feed my children. That being said I will still give someone a little advice if asked. You think that person shouldn't show some appreciation? Wow.

I honestly know this but after receiving infractions for swearing, being told not to xxxxxx instead of swearing and being told there are strict rules on this forum, I do not understand how "plumbers arms" plumbers get away with being rude and bullying people when I got absolutely ripped into for swearing? does not make sense.

I don't know why you're making out the members with access to the plumber's arms are some kind of arrogant, elitist bully because they're not. They're just professional plumbers.
You can't swear on the forum but you can be direct and honest with someone. Whether they have a tantrum or not is another matter.

And this forum is a public service, you are helping out other plumbers "for free" and helping out the public and you may get help back. When did it become a business?

please get off your high horse and understand "forum" means"an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest."

Plumbing is and always has been a business, I take it seriously as all plumbers should. I'll help another plumber if, and only if, his customer base doesn't overlap with mine. Likewise i'll see a member of the public pay another hard working plumber to do a job before I hold their hand through it and no-one gets paid.
If it's a hobby for you then great, just don't preach to the people who are walking the walk. It's a bloody hard game and i'm not in it for fun, social consciense be damned.

As for your last post, all I can say is you display an absolutely shocking naivety which will evaporate in the first year of trading if you manage to make it that far. I just hope you don't have a family relying on you to make a living out of being a tradesman because they'll starve.

 

[dontknowitall]

Anyone able to recommend where can I buy some boxing gloves?

I wanna say something but I don't know which side I should be representing ...

Also, if it's any help, I could contact Alain Rolland (the Wales/France rugby referee) ...

 

[jase158]

If you can't grasp this then you'll never make it in any walk of life. My mortgage being paid relies on people paying me for my knowledge and expertise. With the free distribution of information afforded by the internet my (and your) pool of work is shrinking.
Not knowing how to do something is no longer and obstacle for the diyer. Now our customers consist of those too busy, too lazy and physically incapable of doing the work.

Our knowledge allows me to cloth and feed my children. That being said I will still give someone a little advice if asked. You think that person shouldn't show some appreciation? Wow.



I don't know why you're making out the members with access to the plumber's arms are some kind of arrogant, elitist bully because they're not. They're just professional plumbers.
You can't swear on the forum but you can be direct and honest with someone. Whether they have a tantrum or not is another matter.



Plumbing is and always has been a business, I take it seriously as all plumbers should. I'll help another plumber if, and only if, his customer base doesn't overlap with mine. Likewise i'll see a member of the public pay another hard working plumber to do a job before I hold their hand through it and no-one gets paid.
If it's a hobby for you then great, just don't preach to the people who are walking the walk. It's a bloody hard game and i'm not in it for fun, social consciense be damned.

As for your last post, all I can say is you display an absolutely shocking naivety which will evaporate in the first year of trading if you manage to make it that far. I just hope you don't have a family relying on you to make a living out of being a tradesman because they'll starve.

FYI I have been trading for 2 years now. I like the way you make it personal, my 3 year old boy is starving and on the streets, hungary, not knowing where his next meal is coming from.

And the reason I say "plumbers arms plumbers" is because every time I see rude comments it always comes from "plumbers arms" plumber.

Maybe you have been doing it too long and don't appreciate the fact that you are earning a hell of a lot more then the people out there who are on minimum wage stuck in the same old job day in day out. or the people who can not get a job and receiving benefits trying every day to get a job. Or the people who have to walk 5 miles a day just to get a clean glass of water.

There is more to life then money and I am suprised you have any customers if all you think about is money, if customer had £2,000 on side and went out, would you take it?

Every time I tell people I'm a plumber they say "you must be rich" but from what you are saying plumbers live on the bread line. Hungry and barely able to afford diesel. Giving advice in your spare time does not cost anything. They were probably going to find a way of doing it themselves anyway so stop reading into it so much.

 

[Hybrid]

Also, if it's any help, I could contact Alain Rolland (the Wales/France rugby referee) ...

Anyone but him, he'll never cross this side of the severn again and live to tell of it. It's still a bit raw, I think it's contributed to my recent grumpy demeanor lol!

 

[jase158]

If you can't grasp this then you'll never make it in any walk of life. My mortgage being paid relies on people paying me for my knowledge and expertise. With the free distribution of information afforded by the internet my (and your) pool of work is shrinking.

Speak to any computer engineer and they will say that there is no money to be made in fixing computers as people can do it themselves, the trick is to evolve and move on, not live in the past and cry about a few quid.

 

[jase158]

and if there was a plumber in the house next door, I was meant to get that job but they decided to go with him. I saw him outside really puzzled, I would still help him. Never know he may be able to help me when I'm really stuck one day.

The customer might of gone with him as he explained a bit better or because he gave off a better impression or because it was cheaper, really doesnt bother me.

 

[secret squirrel]

'not sure how that s going to work mate . doubt blasting the main up the hot supply in the kitchen going to clear it an airlock in the cold supply ?'

Having re-read the post at the begining of this saga I realised this but I had the impression that the OP was not really receptive to advice and decided to leave the debate and not to respond further.

Although, I don't agree with jase158 with regards to bullying, I do think the whole post has got a little out of hand amongst ourselves.

Trouble is if we were all sitting in the pub having this discussion there'd be no misunderstanding because we could explain things clearly. Time and time again, things are read out of context or the meaning has been misconstrued and no-one wants to give in etc.

Funny thing is though the OP has given up and got a plumber in and hasn't posted any further.

Did the OP do any of the things suggested, probably not, he was probably looking for an easy soloution to the problem, all the suggestions required tools or some knowledge or ability. When the OP thought he sorted the problem in the morning or thought it sorted itself there was a bit of an attitude there. Two hours later though, was back looking for more advice...... I think this annoyed people.

On this happy note I'm off for my regular Sunday night surprise (or not so much of a surprise) between 9.45 and 10.00....

 

[dontknowitall]

On this happy note I'm off for my regular Sunday night surprise (or not so much of a surprise) between 9.45 and 10.00....

You on a promise?
imp2:

 

[Hybrid]

Maybe you have been doing it too long and don't appreciate the fact that you are earning a hell of a lot more then the people out there who are on minimum wage stuck in the same old job day in day out. or the people who can not get a job and receiving benefits trying every day to get a job. Or the people who have to walk 5 miles a day just to get a clean glass of water.

I earn more than people on minimum wage because I work harder and longer. I "earn" more than people on the dole because I made wise choices, the fact that they're able to claim benefits means they already get enough sympathy from me.
As for the "children are starving in africa" argument I think you've done yourself a disservice there.

There is more to life then money and I am suprised you have any customers if all you think about is money, if customer had £2,000 on side and went out, would you take it?

Ahh, so anyone with a bit of business acumen is a greedy thief? I think we're getting to the bottom of things now. I suppose you were camped outside of St.Paul's this morning?

Every time I tell people I'm a plumber they say "you must be rich" but from what you are saying plumbers live on the bread line. Hungry and barely able to afford diesel. Giving advice in your spare time does not cost anything. They were probably going to find a way of doing it themselves anyway so stop reading into it so much.

I have no idea what you were aiming for with this. It's commendable that you are so community spirited but I don't think it's your place to tell someone else that they should give away their means of earning a living for free or for little or no thanks. It's up to each individual to decide and membership of this forum doesn't dictate that we must help the public or even that it is this forums sole purpose.

I think we're at opposite ideological poles and won't agree. I'm happy to continue making a healthy, but honest profit out of my business.

 

[jase158]

'not sure how that s going to work mate . doubt blasting the main up the hot supply in the kitchen going to clear it an airlock in the cold supply ?'

Having re-read the post at the begining of this saga I realised this but I had the impression that the OP was not really receptive to advice and decided to leave the debate and not to respond further.

Although, I don't agree with jase158 with regards to bullying, I do think the whole post has got a little out of hand amongst ourselves.

Trouble is if we were all sitting in the pub having this discussion there'd be no misunderstanding because we could explain things clearly. Time and time again, things are read out of context or the meaning has been misconstrued and no-one wants to give in etc.

Funny thing is though the OP has given up and got a plumber in and hasn't posted any further.

Did the OP do any of the things suggested, probably not, he was probably looking for an easy soloution to the problem, all the suggestions required tools or some knowledge or ability. When the OP thought he sorted the problem in the morning or thought it sorted itself there was a bit of an attitude there. Two hours later though, was back looking for more advice...... I think this annoyed people.

On this happy note I'm off for my regular Sunday night surprise (or not so much of a surprise) between 9.45 and 10.00....

Saw a thread on here little while ago where a woman was asking for advice, she was absolutely ripped into and ended up going a bit ballistic, she was the one who got kicked off. If you were to do that in a pub, your mates would turn round and give you slack for starting on a woman.
My problem is that these people can get away with things that would not normally be accepted elsewhere. And absolutely amazed how they blatently deny it afterwards too. Manners cost nothing.

 

[secret squirrel]

You on a promise?
imp2:

Every Sunday night and only Sunday night, I've asked for an extension tonight, from 10.00 to 10.30 feeling a bit more fruity than normal........

 

[Hybrid]

Jase why don't you contact the admins to get access to the plumbers arms? These discussions are healthy and are what that forum is for.

That said I don't think anyone bullied or ripped into anyone in this thread. Some people became a bit frustrated with the OP but that was it.

 

[dontknowitall]

Every Sunday night and only Sunday night, I've asked for an extension tonight, from 10.00 to 10.30 feeling a bit more fruity than normal........

LOL!!

Winter must be on it's way ...

 

[secret squirrel]

[

LOL!!

Winter must be on it's way ...

11 years now in our 12th I count myself lucky to be having once a week..........

 

[jase158]

Finnaly agree with you,

However in my experience anybody with a bit of business acrumen, gives something free to make more sales.

Buy 1 Get 1 Free, 2 for 1, 3 for the price of 2, free quotes.

Suppose these are all scams and you are actually paying more then you would normally?

You remind me of somebody else.....

Couldn't answer my question though could you. Would you take the money?

 

[jase158]

I have no idea what you were aiming for with this. It's commendable that you are so community spirited but I don't think it's your place to tell someone else that they should give away their means of earning a living for free or for little or no thanks. It's up to each individual to decide and membership of this forum doesn't dictate that we must help the public or even that it is this forums sole purpose.

I think we're at opposite ideological poles and won't agree. I'm happy to continue making a healthy, but honest profit out of my business.

Can you explain to me what you believe a forum is for?

I'm happy making a healthy profit and helping people along the way.

 

[dontknowitall]

Jase158 and Hybrid

Judging by the last couple of posts it seems that I should cancel the boxing gloves order. At the risk of sounding patronising (and I don't mean to be patronising at all) it makes a great change to see a heated discussion on the internet end in accepting each other's viewpoints, even if not in total agreement with them.

I've seen a fair few forums over the years and this is easily the most gentlemanly of them and the debate above proves this. Compared to some of what I've read on other forums (language, bullying and pure nastiness, etc) this forum is really tame and we all hope it remains that way.

Anyway, another week's just starting and let's hope it goes well for all of us.

 

[Hybrid]

Couldn't answer my question though could you. Would you take the money?

Would I steal from someone? I didn't think I had to answer that one and I wont.

Though why you equate attributing a high value to the service I provide to theft I can't fathom.
You remind me of someone too. A character from Atlas Shrugged.

 

[jase158]

So your honest,
Do you tell the customer that your going to scrap copper in?
Do you charge customer the same for materials as you get them for and put petrol on bill instead?
Do you tell the customer that the boiler your installing is free because you have bought so many boilers from them that you get one free?

So back to my question, would you take that money?

Life swings in roundabouts, all I'm saying is if you are on a "forum" which is for helping people then you should be willing to help, should this be telling them they are out their depth then so be it, however having a go at them and being rude is not productive nor is it helpful.
If this is the way you wish to run your life then so be it, but I was expressing my disgust at how people treat other people on this forum.

 

[stevetheplumber]

You on a promise?
imp2:

no thats between 10 and 10 .03

 

[Phil]

Do we have any ex screwfix members on here?, that forum is a dead duck now but was a good laugh about a year ago. The plumbers talk forum was the worst of them all for diy'ers being ridiculed and abused.

 

[jase158]

Jase why don't you contact the admins to get access to the plumbers arms? These discussions are healthy and are what that forum is for.

That said I don't think anyone bullied or ripped into anyone in this thread. Some people became a bit frustrated with the OP but that was it.

Because I would never associate myself with those people in there that are exactly what I can not stand.

 

[Hybrid]

So your honest,
Do you tell the customer that your going to scrap copper in?
Do you charge customer the same for materials as you get them for and put petrol on bill instead?
Do you tell the customer that the boiler your installing is free because you have bought so many boilers from them that you get one free?

You're just being childish there. Though not as childish as repeatedly asking me if I would steal from a customer.

Life swings in roundabouts, all I'm saying is if you are on a "forum" which is for helping people then you should be willing to help, should this be telling them they are out their depth then so be it, however having a go at them and being rude is not productive nor is it helpful.
If this is the way you wish to run your life then so be it, but I was expressing my disgust at how people treat other people on this forum.

A forum isn't exclusively for helping people, it's a meeting place for minded people where they can discuss common issues. That people chose to help one another is testament to their decency, not their force participation.

If you find the people on this forum so distasteful then I suggest you leave us to our nefarious ways. For crying out loud don't go to the screwfix forum, you'll last all of an hour.

Do we have any ex screwfix members on here?, that forum is a dead duck now but was a good laugh about a year ago. The plumbers talk forum was the worst of them all for diy'ers being ridiculed and abused.

Hope none of the bad apples. That was a thoroughly unpleasant forum.

 

[jase158]

Maybe I am looking at this all wrong.

You have been working all week, had a really bad week, customers moaning and winging, getting tiny leaks that just don't stop no matter what you do and then your last job and customer is asking a hundred questions whilst watching your every move "is that right" "are you sure thats how you do it" then you come on here to unwind and help other people and you get some clown who just doesnt listen and asks you "are you sure" you find the funny side to it and take the mick, its not his fault but you have had a bad week and he just tipped it off. but next time you do it think, would you do that to the customer if they asked you "are you sure" would you turn around and say "go find another plumber mate cos I cant be doing with you?". If so then fair enough do as you like and don't let me step in.
If not then think next time, this guy you are having a go at could be your next customer or somebody elses next customer, he has tried it himself, realised he is out of his depth, but instead of calling a qualified plumber in he will call a builder/ electrician friend or just a friend to do it. being rude does not help our trade and does not help our businesses. this just makes us look like complete and utter jerks. sory for the rant to all the nice plumbers on here but like i said beore, there are a few guys that really spoil it for the rest of us. Why haven't I left? because I will not be pushed out of anything, if these guys wont be kicked out then why should I leave.

 

[jackyp1234]

if a plumber is friendly, gives good advice and is polite the customer will tell 1 person...If they a rude, short with the client ect they tell 10! soon know one will come on here for advice or help in fear of getting shot down

 

[jase158]

You're just being childish there. Though not as childish as repeatedly asking me if I would steal from a customer.



A forum isn't exclusively for helping people, it's a meeting place for minded people where they can discuss common issues. That people chose to help one another is testament to their decency, not their force participation.

If you find the people on this forum so distasteful then I suggest you leave us to our nefarious ways. For crying out loud don't go to the screwfix forum, you'll last all of an hour.

Funny, I have been on there before and never found any rude comments, funny that.

 

[jase158]

if a plumber is friendly, gives good advice and is polite the customer will tell 1 person...If they a rude, short with the client ect they tell 10! soon know one will come on here for advice or help in fear of getting shot down

allelujah, somebody finnaly gets me.

 

[jackyp1234]

With the free distribution of information afforded by the internet my (and your) pool of work is shrinking.

if you feel you are loosing work by giving advice then don't, what do you suggest? some sort of pay per question? LOL!