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I've been asked to quote for a replacement 50kw boiler in a welfare club & notice Vaillant and Viessmann do 46kw & 45kw models respectively. Has anyone fitted any of these sizes & any reviews much appreciated.
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Then on other side of plate pump and z/v like the plate is a heat only boiler ( that's what it is if you look at it mechanically !)
 
Ermi this thing is like system balancing it will run forever.

I see it this way and perhaps you who has had a lot of experience in both Commercial and domestic, you may agree in part with me.

If you are using two boilers on any system it's got to be a LLH
If you are putting a single new boiler on an old system and its flush out do you need a PEX to separate the old crappy system
from the new boiler. My take on it is no you don't.

If you flush the system and put a mag filter on it surely that should do, do boilers fail early in life because the HX fails, I don't know perhaps some of you out there know more and do HX fail early because of a dirty system or just poor flow rate across the HX from day one. I have no doubt if you guys are fitting bypass valves you will never know if the correct flow is going through the boiler ever you have no way of measuring it, you know if its not good when the boiler starts to kettle, unless you are deaf.

If you fit a LLH on a single boiler you can almost be certain the water flow in the boiler side will not drop at all, as long as you fit the correct size pump on the primary side, so the LLH is a plus then, but it means using two pumps and the cost of the header, does the custard want to pay for that, what the cost of a boiler over say 5 years not too much and how long do the new low water content boiler last.

I think if you try and get as much crap out of a system as you can, fit the magic mag-filter the boiler should last 10 years at least as long as you make sure the flow rate is OK, incidentally all manufactures put 2 thermistor on their boilers to try and calculate the min boiler flow rate, it's crude but it is a cheap way of having a bash at it.

What do you think Ermi???

Perfection is good to have I agree, but your are in a crappy old business, who will do the job the cheapest
 
been following this without commenting what does a low loss header do that oversized pipework doesnt ?years ago we fitted 4 vaillants in a boiler room replacing a 300000 boiler and just run a 42mm flow and return with a bypass at the end and teed of of that for each circuit ,feed and vent and it worked fine pumps in each boiler and large circuit dual pump set
 
been following this without commenting what does a low loss header do that oversized pipework doesnt ?years ago we fitted 4 vaillants in a boiler room replacing a 300000 boiler and just run a 42mm flow and return with a bypass at the end and teed of of that for each circuit ,feed and vent and it worked fine pumps in each boiler and large circuit dual pump set


Just what it says on the label LLH Low Loss Header, one side should not have any pressure influence on the other, maybe your way just did it by default, but to be sure fit a LLH then there is no risk, you know what boiler people are like if they come to site and sniff any way out they can say you should have fitted one, look at the WB drawing if you do it like that they can't snipe you. LLH is recognise as a fix it for two or more boilers, don't forget the NRV on each boiler very important, if one boiler is firing and the other start to get heated up number 2 boiler starting scratching its head wondering where the heat is coming from.

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One on first page looked ideal. Two ports for unvented and one for plate?

Getting a quote from them but just want to check what I want of the LLH
at the moment where the old boiler came out, on the flow there is a 2" flanged pump which then feeds into 3 heating zone valves 1 is 2" another 1"1/2 & third 1"1/4, there is also a fourth without zone valve feeding the calorofier. (not now needed)
For this to work properly wouldn't I be better stripping out the 2" iron & existing zone valves then ordering the LLH with 4 1" zones on the secondary side, fit new 1" zone valves to each then a pump for each circuit. Or stick with 2 zones off the LLH 1 for all heating circuits combined & 1 for twining the unventeds.
i know the first option means buying 4 pumps but surely this has to be the most efficient way of doing this otherwise the 3 heating zones will compete if off the existing one large pump with possible flow issues.
need to get this LLH ordered.
 
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Try VA heating for a LLH on 01782 845633.
Used them a fair few times for LLHs made to spec. Do the sizing, give them a drawing and away they go. Good value too!
 
Try VA heating for a LLH on 01782 845633.
Used them a fair few times for LLHs made to spec. Do the sizing, give them a drawing and away they go. Good value too!

Yes thanks I'm waiting on a cost from them, hopefully tomorrow.
I'm also going to strip out the 3 large commercial zone valves on this system & replace them with 3 28mm Honeywell with a separate pump for each leg. Think this will pull better balance from the LLH
A bit more in this than I first thought but if it's worth doing its worth doing right IMO
 
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