Flue issue

[E4gas]

I've asked to quote to for new boiler ,
landlord sent me this photo , I've not seen job , as it's in Cambridge & I'm London based

 

[Masood]

Wow. That is something special...

 

[stani]

Does it contravene anything though?

 

[basildog]

Does it contravene anything though?

Common sense ?

 

[stani]

Common sense ?

not a reg!

 

[Rickster123]

Run run as fast as you can. Is it a joke picture? Do they have carbon monoxide party's in the winter with BBQ snacks and nibbles?!

 

[E4gas]

What about No flue guard .. Below 2 meters

 

[stani]

What about No flue guard .. Below 2 meters

good! Anything else.

 

[lame plumber]

its prone to damage for starters!

 

[basildog]

Yes my guess would be it should be raised and also protected from damage ?

 

[E4gas]

That's the other end

 

[E4gas]

Landlord said there's no other place to site it

 

[Riley]

Run away!!!!

 

[Dotty]

Doesn't matter what the landlord says. It has to be done right or not at all.

Send the photos in to gas safe!

 

[lame plumber]

Yes my guess would be it should be raised and also protected from damage ?

how about it shouldnt be there, fullstop!

 

[E4gas]

The flue was there 1st , some one decided to put decking on the flat roof ,

 

[lame plumber]

One of them has to go

 

[village idiot]

In that case they can decide to remove the decking

 

[basildog]

how about it shouldnt be there, fullstop!

That is just being awkward for the sake of it ?
There is nothing to say you cannot have a flue or a chimney coming up through a roof terrace or even a patio as we have built underground rooms before extending into the garden with the chimney being built up from ground level .
In this case yes it needs raising and either protecting or a brick structure but the flue position is ok .

 

[lame plumber]

That is just being awkward for the sake of it ?
There is nothing to say you cannot have a flue or a chimney coming up through a roof terrace or even a patio as we have built underground rooms before extending into the garden with the chimney being built up from ground level .
In this case yes it needs raising and either protecting or a brick structure but the flue position is ok .

So you build a brick structure round it and raise it, how are you going to inspect the flue, stick a plastic door in the chimney you have just created?

 

[basildog]

So you build a brick structure round it and raise it, how are you going to inspect the flue, stick a plastic door in the chimney you have just created?

There is more than one way to solve any problem I only say brick but timber may be easier ,and it would not have to be plastic ?
Not all jobs fit in to what we consider to be normal so there will always be the odd one that takes some thinking outside the box ?

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

From the photo it maybe better to take it horizontally out into the garden, the flue was fine until the decking was completed. It now needs updating, how wold anyone think it's right?

 

[basildog]

From the photo it maybe better to take it horizontally out into the garden, the flue was fine until the decking was completed. It now needs updating, how wold anyone think it's right?

Well someone must have beeen signing his landlords certificates I guess ?

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Maybe? Might not have had CP12's carried out, the point is it's been picked up now and needs altering!

 

[Dotty]

There is more than one way to solve any problem I only say brick but timber may be easier ,and it would not have to be plastic ?
Not all jobs fit in to what we consider to be normal so there will always be the odd one that takes some thinking outside the box ?

Are you seriously condoning an illegal gas installation?

 

[E4gas]

From the photo it maybe better to take it horizontally out into the garden, the flue was fine until the decking was completed. It now needs updating, how wold anyone think it's right?

There has been a extension built , with full patio doors at the end , building has no outside walls due to building bought to boundrys

Long way to go for a free quote

 

[basildog]

Are you seriously condoning an illegal gas installation?

No not at all I am suggesting that it is not always possible to have things as nice straight forward ticks all the boxes at first glance .
That with some clever thinking and sensible input from be it the manufacturer or the installer and maybe even Gas safe that there is normally always an answer to solve any problem .
Just because something is not normally done it does not make it illegal ??

 

[Dotty]

Because it's not installed as per manufacturers instructions,.

So I'll ask again.

Are you seriously condoning illegal installations?

 

[basildog]

Because it's not installed as per manufacturers instructions,.

So I'll ask again.

Are you seriously condoning illegal installations?

Where are you reading this from ?
I have stated that this installation is wrong already what I am saying is that it can be done to meet all requirements without breaking any rules ?

 

[Dotty]

Go on then, explain what you mean.

 

[basildog]

It is the same in any walk of life we have 3 doctors in our family and you will get 3 different answers !
The same as when you ring tecnical one guy tells you one thing the next time you ring you get another answer !
The world is not simple but playing devils advocate I am in the trade and get confused how do you really think Mr and Mrs public can have a clue where they stand when they get so many differing opinions ?

 

[E4gas]

That's the reason I put photo on forum , to discuss unusually problems , every one has different views, nothing on MI about this flue ,

 

[gasmanrob]

Found this on Thursday same situation up through a roof terrace. NCS for terminal guard and AR for terminating in an area where people sit ie patio set right behind it. And seing as it's next to a bin there is clearly increased risk of potential damage

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Is that a cwsc next to the vert flue?

 

[Masood]

You could make a decorative stone or brick chimney to surround the flue and raise it above 2m. Inspection hatches could be made by cutting the same bricks or stones thin and sticking them to boards to make them look part of the brick/stonework.

 

[basildog]

Go on then, explain what you mean.

I already have in that there is nothing wrong with a flue passing through a roof ?
Ok in this case it not only a roof it is also a roof terrace or patio so yes the 2 metre rule would probably come in to play or would it if it was protected ?
So a simple solution is to fit a new boiler in the same place if it has to be and raise the discharge height also forming or constructing some form of flue protection ?
This could be either brick or timber and yes in both cases access would be possible .
Or the flue repositioned completely but this may not be possible ?
To just say it cannot be done or run away is the easy way out ?
I love a challenge and my first question to anyone is why not ?????

 

[gasmanrob]

Is that a cwsc next to the vert flue?

No thats a bin

 

[Dotty]

I already have in that there is nothing wrong with a flue passing through a roof ?
Ok in this case it not only a roof it is also a roof terrace or patio so yes the 2 metre rule would probably come in to play or would it if it was protected ?
So a simple solution is to fit a new boiler in the same place if it has to be and raise the discharge height also forming or constructing some form of flue protection ?
This could be either brick or timber and yes in both cases access would be possible .
Or the flue repositioned completely but this may not be possible ?
To just say it cannot be done or run away is the easy way out ?
I love a challenge and my first question to anyone is why not ?????

Which brings us right back to the MI's and TB008.

If you're not in it you really don't have an argument.

 

[basildog]

You could make a decorative stone or brick chimney to surround the flue and raise it above 2m. Inspection hatches could be made by cutting the same bricks or stones thin and sticking them to boards to make them look part of the brick/stonework.

The possibilities are endless as you could as you say raise it or you could divert it to the other end of the flat roof and construct boxing or seating over it with access ,or even raise the decking level over a flue running horrizontally below ?
Personally I would just raise it and protect but there are so many ways around any problem

 

[Ermintrude]

Bs5440 has a bit on parapets and root access from memory

 

[lame plumber]

The possibilities are endless as you could as you say raise it or you could divert it to the other end of the flat roof and construct boxing or seating over it with access ,or even raise the decking level over a flue running horrizontally below ?
Personally I would just raise it and protect but there are so many ways around any problem

or do what all the customers seem to think is fine with oil tanks, stick up a pergola and grow a russian vine round it!