Discuss Train 4 Trade Skills in the Plumbing Jobs | The Job-board area at PlumbersForums.net

Status
Not open for further replies.
I am an employer. I loose track of C&G numbers and to tell you the truth i am not interested in them. C&G are a recognised certification body but they have split the quals up so much to offer meaningless foot in the door certificates that they are meaningless to me.
The only qual i require is (S)(N)VQ3 with a full apprenticeship and cv of prior experience. Anything else is irrelevant to me and i am not alone in my thinking.
Hence when you do a fast track you will struggle severely to be employed.
I'm just being honest but do what you feel is right for you.

I appreciate what you're saying, but how does a 30+ male with a wife, 2 kids and a mortgage give up his job and take an apprenticeship, this isn't realistic. The coarse provider has promised me a placement to get on site experience and sign off coarse modules. There are training workshops where i have to show my competancy and the coarse i'm taking is designed to run between 2-3 years, so naturally i'm sat here scratching my head trying to understand why the coarse i'm about to embark upon has been labeled 'fasttrack'?
To be honest if the truth is known i think many plumbers frown upon these coarses because middle aged men with a drive to succeed are retraining and entering there trade, i appreciate that there will be some muppets slip through the net, but why would i put myself through this and not want to make a go of it? It shouldn't be so cut and dry when it comes to employment no one will have a chance.
 
Hi and thanks for the replies, the qualifications i'll be working towards are; nvq l2 city & guilds 6189 plumbing, BPEC and city & guilds 2399 part p


working towards? Makes it sound like they only offering part of the quals?
 
hi jerrytheberry
im in exactly the same boat as you I have a partner and 2 kids and want to retrain as a plumber so I can work for myself and possibly further my education once Im experienced. I have just signed up to the t4ts level 2/3 plumbing and heating course which i hope to complete in 2/3 years i understand to get these qualifications (nvq 2/3) you need to build up an onsite portfolio which I have no problem with as I believe this to be the key to a successful plumber. T4ts rep said to me that they will place you in employment to gain your level 2 but level 3 they could nt promise but would try this is also stated in writting. i do believe there are potential problems with doing it this way but as long as your working towards the right qualifications nothing in this world is going to land on your lap just because you spent 5,750 on a course but if it puts you in with a real chance of working in that proffession and gives you key skills and knowledge along the way then why not.
There are a few things im worried about tho like will I get a tutor assigned to me in 21 days or will i have to chase him, also wether the practical dates will fit in with my schedule as I work as van converter.
It would be interesting to hear of your progress and if you have tutor worries maybe as we are starting at similar times we could keep up to date on things. let me no and good luck
one other thing evening classes are good but if your not employed as a plumbers mate it is almost impossible to get onto especially where i live so it seems t4ts is my only option
 
To be honest if the truth is known i think many plumbers frown upon these coarses because middle aged men with a drive to succeed are retraining and entering there trade, i appreciate that there will be some muppets slip through the net, but why would i put myself through this and not want to make a go of it? It shouldn't be so cut and dry when it comes to employment no one will have a chance.

When it comes to employment, the difference between someone who has done a course (fastrack or spun out over however many years) and someone who has followed a recognised apprenticeship route is experience. This experience is passed on by other tradesmen over a period of years.
Giving people chances costs money and customers. No employer in any line of work will normally take on someone who cannot do the job they are employed to do and loose customers by sending incompetent people to do it. Remember most plumbers will be working on their own most of the time with no one there to help when things go wrong so you are expected to know how to deal with any situation you will find.
Only an exceptional few, no matter how much drive or commitment most may have, could do this and take up an employed position where you would be expected to be sent to and deal with any aspect of the trade. Classroom scenarios and even worse computer based ones, are nothing like real life.

There are proper employed adult trainees within the industry, employed in a similar way to apprentices (albeit on a higher pay rate) gaining on the job experience over 2-3 years. Unfortunately there are few being taken on as the work load at the moment does not require it.
The experience gained from the so called placements offered by training centres is limited and tailored to get you past the bare minimum requirements. The theory side of things is the easy bit and can be learned by anyone with a half a brain. Actually knowing how to do the job or having the practical skills to do so is not something taught in a classroom. Having done an apprenticeship shows your perspective employer you have been done the industry recognised route of qualification and training and have gained experience in doing so.

By all means retrain and do this but do not expect to be able to be employable for a long time after it unless you fall into the exceptional category in both skills and luck.
You will probably have to go self employed and do your real learning at your own and your customers expense.
 
When it comes to employment, the difference between someone who has done a course (fastrack or spun out over however many years) and someone who has followed a recognised apprenticeship route is experience. This experience is passed on by other tradesmen over a period of years.
Giving people chances costs money and customers. No employer in any line of work will normally take on someone who cannot do the job they are employed to do and loose customers by sending incompetent people to do it. Remember most plumbers will be working on their own most of the time with no one there to help when things go wrong so you are expected to know how to deal with any situation you will find.
Only an exceptional few, no matter how much drive or commitment most may have, could do this and take up an employed position where you would be expected to be sent to and deal with any aspect of the trade. Classroom scenarios and even worse computer based ones, are nothing like real life.

There are proper employed adult trainees within the industry, employed in a similar way to apprentices (albeit on a higher pay rate) gaining on the job experience over 2-3 years. Unfortunately there are few being taken on as the work load at the moment does not require it.
The experience gained from the so called placements offered by training centres is limited and tailored to get you past the bare minimum requirements. The theory side of things is the easy bit and can be learned by anyone with a half a brain. Actually knowing how to do the job or having the practical skills to do so is not something taught in a classroom. Having done an apprenticeship shows your perspective employer you have been done the industry recognised route of qualification and training and have gained experience in doing so.

By all means retrain and do this but do not expect to be able to be employable for a long time after it unless you fall into the exceptional category in both skills and luck.
You will probably have to go self employed and do your real learning at your own and your customers expense.

Thanks for your view on it, i respect that. You've opened my eyes a little and i've got a pretty good idea which way i'm going to go with this.
 
hi jerrytheberry
im in exactly the same boat as you I have a partner and 2 kids and want to retrain as a plumber so I can work for myself and possibly further my education once Im experienced. I have just signed up to the t4ts level 2/3 plumbing and heating course which i hope to complete in 2/3 years i understand to get these qualifications (nvq 2/3) you need to build up an onsite portfolio which I have no problem with as I believe this to be the key to a successful plumber. T4ts rep said to me that they will place you in employment to gain your level 2 but level 3 they could nt promise but would try this is also stated in writting. i do believe there are potential problems with doing it this way but as long as your working towards the right qualifications nothing in this world is going to land on your lap just because you spent 5,750 on a course but if it puts you in with a real chance of working in that proffession and gives you key skills and knowledge along the way then why not.
There are a few things im worried about tho like will I get a tutor assigned to me in 21 days or will i have to chase him, also wether the practical dates will fit in with my schedule as I work as van converter.
It would be interesting to hear of your progress and if you have tutor worries maybe as we are starting at similar times we could keep up to date on things. let me no and good luck
one other thing evening classes are good but if your not employed as a plumbers mate it is almost impossible to get onto especially where i live so it seems t4ts is my only option

Nice to hear from you, i'm not too concerned about the tutor i'm sure they'll be in touch in due coarse. It would be interesting to hear how you get on though.
 
Read the Older posts T4TS have many names Train 2 game skills train etc the list goes on Jan tellinsky is behind them all. They even go as far to quote themselves as being a certified cisco systems partner yet, when asked Cisco had never heard of them. They rip people off - no getting away from that!
Dont tell me the salesman came in showed you a DVD on the course. gives you some fancy booklets told you how good the course is and how it could transform your finances. Then he makes you do an aptitude test. whilst doing that he'll ring "his office" Then says that he'll arrange payment to your course.
Then you get your paperwork through the post with a credit/loan agreement from a bank saying that the course fee has been paid in full. Yet you have to make over 13 payments before they allow you to attend the practical. Yet you have a piece of paper in your hand saying that the course has been payed for by the loan company. Surely if the course has been paid, then what is the issue on how soon youn attend the practical?
Get on that phone and cancel as soon as poss or else they set the credit information bureau on you - Google them and they look like a big frightening company - google the post code and you find a house in a small housing estate. I got stung for over a grand before I wised up to them and dont want anyone else to go through the same as me.
BBC watchdog, BBC Rogue traders, Trading standards, and consumer direct have a list as long as your on on T4TS so Stay well away and go to your local college - it may not have the flexible times of T4TS but gives real qualifications and gives no false illusions of what you will get from them.
 
to be honest mate i recieve my work all the time i normally get back my assigned assesmetn every week, dont read these threads, i just done my week 1 and 2 and someone failed the wate regs, he just quit because he failed on exam, to be honest mate do it and dont quit
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Reply to Train 4 Trade Skills in the Plumbing Jobs | The Job-board area at PlumbersForums.net

Similar plumbing topics

Hi everyone, Looking for a bit of advice, recently went to a job where heating was operating when called for however not for the hot water. I...
Replies
8
Views
393

Newest Plumbing Threads

Back
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website. For the best site experience please disable your AdBlocker.

I've Disabled AdBlock