The worst plumbing invention ever.....

[Dannypipe]

I would only fit one with a metal frame.

I've fitted 4 last year. One of the lads who weighs 19 stone tested the first one out by seating on it and lifting his legs up in the air!! It didn't budge, though it made me a bit nervous!!

 

[DirksPlumbing]

I would only fit one with a metal frame.

Had a customer that had asked me to fit one on a wooden self made frame.
I refused to do that. So he took someone else that did it for him.
I know both his sons very well. Had great fun when they told me that he had fallen down with the pan a couple of years later just before christmas.

Get a metal frame and you will be fine. Do not forget that the manufacturer request double sheeting under the tile for load distribution.
But I fitted plenty on single sheeted walls with no problems yet.
They have to hold 400kg loaded on the front of the pan.
So do not try to screw the metal frame onto a 2x2 frame.
Either a massive wall or a wooden frame that actually holds the metal frame even once the wood gets older and gets dry or wet.

The actual reason for the fall with the pan was a slight leak that had caused wood rot so it did pull the stud screw out on one side. But who guarantees that would not happen by condensation either?

 

[Dannypipe]

The frames aren't even that expensive.

As you say, you have to be sure that whatever they're fixed to will take the weight. As for double sheeting, that's news to me, but I take your point.

 

[DirksPlumbing]

The frames aren't even that expensive.

As you say, you have to be sure that whatever they're fixed to will take the weight. As for double sheeting, that's news to me, but I take your point.

Used to be in the instruction you do not get with the frame
I think it was basically to prevent tile cracking.
Some of the early models even came with a predrilled fibre board sheet.

But guess the gesture you normally get when you ask for double sheeting so I gave up on that.
Maybe they have lifted that anyway. But I am pretty sure if there would be something like tiles
cracking under the load they would point out that it has not been tiled properly and if that fails
then the card with the double sheeting will be played.

But as I said I have still to come across problems with single sheeting. Just the noises on the first load are sometimes a bit worrying. I personally love the frames. But I have seen many struggling with them.

 

[tamz]

I bet you were glad that the old nut had the same thread as the new valve.

Come on now MM. Anyone half worth their salt knows the thread pitch looking at it or reading the nut. The only one you won't get now is a prestex or a Kuterlite fine if half inch :smile:

 

[mountainman]

Come on now MM. Anyone half worth their salt knows the thread pitch looking at it or reading the nut. The only one you won't get now is a prestex or a Kuterlite fine if half inch :smile:

Too true, but so much easier if you don't have to saw the old olive off while holding back the water with whatever is to hand

 

[chris watkins]

Too true, but so much easier if you don't have to saw the old olive off while holding back the water with whatever is to hand

See if Tamz will send you down a few spares to keep in you bag MM from his secret stash.

 

[Guest123]

Too true, but so much easier if you don't have to saw the old olive off while holding back the water with whatever is to hand

One of the most useful gadgets I bought and I hate gadgets was a Monument Olive puller tool. It takes off 15mm and 22mm olives easily and quickly without cutting olives (and your fingers) with a saw.

 

[mountainman]

Where's the excitement and danger in that?

 

[Kyle87]

One of the most useful gadgets I bought and I hate gadgets was a Monument Olive puller tool. It takes off 15mm and 22mm olives easily and quickly without cutting olives (and your fingers) with a saw.

I love gadgets. That's why 90 percent of my possessions are the worst inventions ever made!

 

[PlumbBobBob]

Where's the excitement and danger in that?

do it live? lol

 

[Dannypipe]

I love gadgets. That's why 90 percent of my possessions are the worst inventions ever made!

I also love gadgets!! I need to win the lottery so I can spend my time shopping for pointless crap.

The monument olive puller does come in handy every now and then.

I personally find the 15mm olive cutter tool (which I was given by a mate who tried plumbing and hated it) is brilliant.

I mainly use it whenever I'm changing rad valves. I can rattle through a whole house in a couple of hours, and all the rad tails have been adapted for the depth of the new valves without hassle.

Like many gadgets, I could live without it, but I'd rather not.

I would like to buy the 22mm version but can't bring myself to spend the money.

Once you've cut an olive, you won't bother using an olive puller. Cutter takes about 2 seconds to use. Puller is more like 30 seconds to a minute.

 

[Mike Jackson]

I've got the Rothy olive cutter, does any size pipe from 15mm up. Beats the monument ones hollow.

 

[DirksPlumbing]

I've got the Rothy olive cutter, does any size pipe from 15mm up. Beats the monument ones hollow.

As long as you get the nut away from the ring far enough. Love this thing.
Just needs deburring quite often to get it in. But hey P/C does a reasonable deburring tool and the Rothenberger pipe cutters got one build in as well.
Actually not a case for the worst plumbing invention apart from the fact that once you have used it you wish you could get one for microbore as well and can not get one for money.

 

[Plumber mannie]

You summed it up in one with that fast track the industry is full of idiots now