should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[plumbster3456]

would this sort out some of the very bad plumbing I have had to fix over the years?
what do people think i appreciate there are a lot of guys out there working as plumbers who dont have quals and are probably better than some with quals but generally what do people have to say on this.

 

[tamz]

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I think the numerous plumbing bodies out there could do more to highlight the dangerous of using cowboy plumbers by the use of adverts in magazines etc.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland this body SNIPEF Home - Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation (as have the other bodies in England and Wales), have been lobbying government for years to try to get some kind of compulsory licencing scheme.
They are not interested although the Scottish government are listening a bit. We'll see.

At the moment they do run a licencing scheme and it does impress some people and open some doors if you are licenced.

 

[jase158]

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There is the hackney carriage they give people the licences, then you as an employer have to ensure that you have all the paperwork for each employee, including driving license, tax, mot, insurance and a valid hackney license which i believe gets renewed every year or two. also the taxi company must write down every single job taken, if any of these are missing then there is a £1000 fine per item missing. So put simply the employer is held responsible.

 

[Puddle]

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You just have your iris scanned with the customers mobile phone which has a app to connect and check it at the national plumbing and vicuallers data base

 

[fuzzy]

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so i need a taxi now?

 

[bcp]

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NO-unless there is access to training/courses for anyone regardless of age or funds. The closed shop scenario or exclusions because of.....is unacceptable. Oh and get ready to pay huge fees to the governing body.

 

[jase158]

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are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

 

[tamz]

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I dont have an NVQ!

 

[fuzzy]

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[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Candidate_workplace_evidence_record_(Level_3).pdf[/DLMURL]

page 10 mate

 

[fuzzy]

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are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

the 6089 level 3 is the nvq???

 

[fuzzy]

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[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Scheme-Handbook.pdf[/DLMURL]

and this one page 20, probably explains it better, this ok now?

 

[jase158]

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ok, well i did the renewable energy route as this was what my college was offering and i did not have the money for the ACS training, but i will do once i can afford. this is not part of the NVQ3 in my college if i went the gas route i would of had to pay for the ACS to be done seperately. is it different for you?

 

[fuzzy]

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you shouldnt have to pay seperately as it is part of the gas option nvq3 6089 course. If your college offered an alternative option then fine, i thought there were only two gas or oil, hadnt heard of a renewable one, what did you cover? (thought it would only be available on the new diploma 6189)

 

[jase158]

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covers the air source and ground source pumps and the solar panels. been told that colleges are getting rid of lead and some other parts and they will be teaching renewables in NVQ 2 and 3 from september. its suppose to be the thing of the future??? will only be time before this is policed and whilst on the point they are policing air conditioning engineers early next year. so i reacon it will only be time before plumbers are policed.

the question is, how strict are the current policing systems, taxis, gas engineers and electricians. people are still getting blown up from gas explosions so when will they see sense and police it properly

 

[fuzzy]

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colleges wont be getting rid of anything, they can only run the courses that summitskills design, there will be no tech cert or nvq at level 2 or 3 in a few months, only a diploma that requires you to work. 3 options, gas, oil or renewable, you do one not all 3. falls short i believe, it should include a minimum of renewables but no its an option!
yes lead is going to be an option aswell.

ive never heard of the current nvq having a renewable option, did you not sign an appendix A form?

 

[tamz]

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When the so called renawables have been renewed and long forgotten about the lead will still be there and need skilled men to work it.

 

[jase158]

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colleges wont be getting rid of anything, they can only run the courses that summitskills design, there will be no tech cert or nvq at level 2 or 3 in a few months, only a diploma that requires you to work. 3 options, gas, oil or renewable, you do one not all 3. falls short i believe, it should include a minimum of renewables but no its an option!
yes lead is going to be an option aswell.

ive never heard of the current nvq having a renewable option, did you not sign an appendix A form?

are you some sort of tutor, this post is wether they should police none qualified plumbers or not, not training, i dont know where you are getting all this information from

 

[fuzzy]

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its still an option tamz, most employers dont want their trainees learning it, theyd rather them learn more relevant stuff, hence it being semi dropped

 

[Reg Man]

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Does NVQ stand for "Not Very Qualified"? I love the Eye Spy in the gas mags. This sort of work keeps me in a job.

 

[fuzzy]

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are you some sort of tutor, this post is wether they should police none qualified plumbers or not, not training,

as is often the case we can go off topic, your right we should aim to get back on topic and leave this to more relevant threads. im no tutor, i just very pro learning and education, my wifes a teacher! i find alot of people do not know enough about the quals available and i like to inform people of what is going on, not trying to be smart but just help people

 

[fuzzy]

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qualifications used to be the recognised standard for policing the industry why do we need another 'tier'? obviously something wrong with our system if we need this

 

[ecowarm]

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At my local college the students get a choice for Nvq 3 ACS, Oftec or a renewable course (solar. Unvented and Hetas)

This was for the next year course. I was at collage looking to take on an apprentice.

Eco

 

[tamz]

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its still an option tamz, most employers dont want their trainees learning it, theyd rather them learn more relevant stuff, hence it being semi dropped

The collages have been shte at teaching it for years anyway as most of the tutors don't know more than the basics.
It is still a good string to your bow and any lads i've had, i've taught them whether they need it or not. Once you learn the right (and easy) ways to work it you can always do it with a little practice again. Good money to be made at it too, if you are good.

 

[jase158]

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its still an option tamz, most employers dont want their trainees learning it, theyd rather them learn more relevant stuff, hence it being semi dropped

Sorry I meant they are letting people choose which course they do, where are you getting this info from as I have looked for weeks to find information out and none of the courses I looked at said ACS training was part of the nvq

 

[tamz]

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Fuzzy is a black belt in training course info

 

[kirkgas]

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yes I know that is true and also even if qualified in new zealand you have to apply to there plumbing board every year to be a registered plumber.
I bet the standard of work in these countries will be miles ahead of over here (not counting our own guys who do the job correct)
I am not joking here I recently got sent to a job that the cowboy plumber done an outside tap off of the hot pipe and when customer complained he told her to turn her combi boiler off if using the outside tap and the water would be cold
This is the type of example I am talking about lol

i can see that being a prob to be honest, as "tradesmen" wont want to pay to do their work

 

[Reg Man]

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Your quite right. Strayed from topic. Answer: No. Goverment are not interested because it does not effect safey, with exception of UVHW. As a qualified plumber I would say yes, because I spent 5 years of hard work and college to become qualified as a plumber.

 

[fuzzy]

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Fuzzy is a black belt in training course info

it also helps to keep my pants up

 

[fuzzy]

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are you some sort of tutor, this post is wether they should police none qualified plumbers or not, not training, i dont know where you are getting all this information from

ive posted links to were im getting info from, ie C&G's. It isnt restricted or anything, thought people who are looking to educate and train therselves would have investigated this, or when they look into it do they mean they just phone centres and ask them? They can tell you want you want to hear if your not careful

 

[jase158]

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ive posted links to were im getting info from, ie C&G's. It isnt restricted or anything, thought people who are looking to educate and train therselves would have investigated this, or when they look into it do they mean they just phone centres and ask them? They can tell you want you want to hear if your not careful

I spent weeks looking on city and guilds website, the forums and on google, i spoke to the college and spoke to several different companies regarding the training but most only offer half the training and not all the courses, there is no definitive route, it is all down to what you want to do, if you want to only do gas then you can only qualify for gas, if you only want to do cookers then you can do cookers, if you want to be a building engineer rather then a plumber then you can do that, but can you tell me in your opinion what i should do if i want to become a compitent plumber and gas engineer. in other words i want to do plumbing, i.e. bathrooms and heating and gas work, i.e. installing boilers.

When i looked recently (about 2 months ago) there was no news about the new qualifications to be rolled out this year, and when i spoke to my tutor he said they still did not know themselves or wether this would be goverment funded, which was around 5 months ago, if you have a link to the new training and the new qualifications please let me know as i would be intreaged to know exactly what is changing.

 

[fuzzy]

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[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/60996.html"]Diplomas in Plumbing and Domestic Heating (6189)[/DLMURL]

open to everyone, not classified information mate, surely its very easy for anyone to find, quick google search and its there!