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hi all 1st posting here
long posting so stick with me pls
replacing my thorn apollo to a wb 34cdi. going to be connected to 5 double rads and 1 towl rad, yes over powered because its going to feed a mixer shower, 14.4 lpm,
had a few companys in for prices starting off with bg 3800 inc wb contr(full paperworks will be supplied reg with local council gas safe and wb), informed me to get my own heating unit so no markup price also my own new rads etc, he has 000s of positive feedbacks going back a few years now and working for himself
now the rads that on the old sys are years old (20+) and sys full of gunge
the new location for new boiler is going to be where the hot water tank is atm (direct above boiler)
ive asked the fitter if there is going to be a powerflush and his reply was yeah (not convincing) hot & cold , if that makes sense??
im going to be at work then this is getting installed the last thing im wanting is not knowing if this has been done or not, ive also supplied my own f1 & f3
last thing i went for wicks rads as i see that they are quinns rebranded if thats correct , any advice any1
 
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Bg ?? British Gas if yes he's fitting it on the side
 
How much is he charging you? And is he supplying pipe and fittings?
 
Too cheap I'm sorry conversion to combi min would be about 1k with flush
 
its going to be fitted to a outside wall so its horizontal flue, ive read his background and has a list long with his qualifications , also approved by baxi and valliant, should i be worried
 
Did he explain about possible leaks on the system due to going from gravity system to pressurised
 
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, hes the heating engineer i leave that to him,im wanting this done correctly as i will prob be living in this house for a longtime to come
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But should if explained the old Pipework might leak but at that price sorry to say too cheap I think
 
Far too cheap. Sounds alarm bells to me. I would be interested to see photos of the installation and the benchmark book.
 
Good luck with it!!

And we'll see you on here in a while, asking if someone will sign it for off!
 
as i said its going to be signed off with gas safe and local council and with wb, i do have second thoughts about using this guy becuase of the price, but being approved by baxi & vallent i was thinking i cant go wrong here along with 000s positive reviews, im going to be taking a day off work (2nd day of fitting) which is i believe thats when the powerflush will be done, i will if i can post pictures on here of the installation and let you guys see the end result
 
You can check him being gas safe registered online (think it shows a photo as well)
 
By all means post some pics up if you are going with him

But some advice don't pay him till complete / if you do only do 50% until complete/ happy
 
Something is not going to get done for that money. I guarantee a corner will be cut
 
i wont be paying him anything until the job has been completed, ive done loads and loads of research watching powerflushes reviewing everything online, went over and over done my homework for sure so i know what the powerflush looks like, i think i need a baileys now
and here is qualifications
GAS SAFETY REGISTER ******

NIC CERTIFICATION ( UN-VENTED HOT WATER STORAGE SYSTEMS)

CITB

CPA1 (Combustion Performance Analysis) 31/03/14
CCN1 (Domestic Natural Gas Safety) 30/03/14
HTR1 (Gas Fires and Heaters) 30/03/14
CEN1 (Central Heating Boilers 70KW) 31/03/14
CKR1 (Gas Cookers) 30/11/10
 
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I really don't understand why you'd risk your home to save a couple of quid
 
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risking my home? he is a gas safe approved or am i missing something here
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doesnt say the standard will be high tbh anyone these days can get gas safe 6 week course and 4-6K and your gas safe
 
True completely agreed however The price is just not realistic for a qualified engineer running his own business. Something does not add up mate. I am just thinking about you
 
If I were you I would get 2 or three more quotes
 
i really do appreciate all the replies dont get me wrong, last thing im wanting is not wakening up 1 day (not funny) and a sys thats not going to come back and bite when/if it does breakdown because of sludge, his reviews are going back to 2009 and been doing this for over 14 years inc doing landlords certs, fully insured for £1mill,
ive had 4-5 prices but all been with them supply the unit, so i am just paying for labour only
 
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i really do appreciate all the replies dont get me wrong, last thing im wanting is not wakening up 1 day (not funny) and a sys thats not going to come back and bite when/if it does breakdown because of sludge, his reviews are going back to 2009 and been doing this for over 14 years inc doing landlords certs, fully insured for £1mill,
ive had 4-5 prices but all been with them supply the unit, so i am just paying for labour only
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how much have they been for ( the other prices)
 
im getting this all in at about 2100issh, closest i got was from an approved wb installer 2500 , no new rads and using wb controls, im using wireless plumbing centre thermosat programmer(£52), i agree it is cheap the fitting im more worried about the flush that might be not getting done, which he said it will be
 
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im getting this all in at about 2100issh, closest i got was from an approved wb installer 2500 , no new rads and using wb controls, im using wireless plumbing centre thermosat programmer(£52), i agree it is cheap the fitting im more worried about the flush that might be not getting done, which he said it will be
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i can garatee you wont be having a proper power flush done, will be a system flush either using chems on there own or via somthing like the adey mangaclense but if your changing all the rads this isnt really needed

you can do some prep work if you want (by flushing the rads out first using cold mains water) and adding some cleaner to the system and run for a week or two
 
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He's told you he's doing a hot & cold flush.

That is an approved method of flushing according to BS7593:2006, but it is not a powerflush. Hot and cold flush is getting the system hot (after the new boiler is fitted, normally), then draining it down, then running mains water through it. The thinking being that hot water dissolves flux and other residues, then mains pressure / flow rate gets rid of any sediment.

Powerflushing is a very different beast, takes a lot longer and is much more thorough.
 
thanks for that info shaun, can you all confirm that the powerflush wont really be req if new rads are going to be installed, i would rather pay a bit more and get it done than bite me in years to come
also bg fitted a spirotech mb3 about a year ago to my sys which will also be added to the new sys , as for draning the sys well im the world worst for diy thats why i leave it for you guys, i could stick some f3 in that tank but watching it on youtube is not my idea of fun

so a sys flush ok with new rads??? my current sys is really banging away and has been for a few years so unsure if the pipes are bunged up or its the boiler and 1 rad is dead to the world
 
If you don't get a proper flush. By the sound of it your new boiler is gonna be blocked quickly
 
northernstar said:
i wont be paying him anything until the job has been completed, ive done loads and loads of research watching powerflushes reviewing everything online, went over and over done my homework for sure so i know what the powerflush looks like, i think i need a baileys now
and here is qualifications
GAS SAFETY REGISTER ******

NIC CERTIFICATION ( UN-VENTED HOT WATER STORAGE SYSTEMS)

CITB

CPA1 (Combustion Performance Analysis) 31/03/14
CCN1 (Domestic Natural Gas Safety) 30/03/14
HTR1 (Gas Fires and Heaters) 30/03/14
CEN1 (Central Heating Boilers 70KW) 31/03/14
CKR1 (Gas Cookers) 30/11/10
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Where did you get that list? Gas Safe's website does not list dates. The ID card does, but shows the annual renewal date. If that's from his card, he's shown you an old card. Is his registration still valid?
 
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thanks for that info shaun, can you all confirm that the powerflush wont really be req if new rads are going to be installed, i would rather pay a bit more and get it done than bite me in years to come
also bg fitted a spirotech mb3 about a year ago to my sys which will also be added to the new sys , as for draning the sys well im the world worst for diy thats why i leave it for you guys, i could stick some f3 in that tank but watching it on youtube is not my idea of fun

so a sys flush ok with new rads??? my current sys is really banging away and has been for a few years so unsure if the pipes are bunged up or its the boiler and 1 rad is dead to the world
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sorry to say i cant say without seeing the system / water quality

but are all your rads heating up (top to bottom same temp etc)
 
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