Incorrect boiler installation ?

[Dake205]

Yip but still not required as part of install, as stated it’s personal preference and cost associated, I agree with you but the instructions will advise minimum requirements which I’ve stated and I feel at that point installers can’t be held liable, so if that’s what they advise and if that’s what’s carried out under these schemes then why should installers be held liable, unfortunately it’s simple you get what you pay for, and at £500 a day I’d happily put magnacleanse on a regular swap

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yip but still not required as part of install, as stated it’s personal preference and cost associated, I agree with you but the instructions will advise minimum requirements which I’ve stated and I feel at that point installers can’t be held liable, so if that’s what they advise and if that’s what’s carried out under these schemes then why should installers be held liable, unfortunately it’s simple you get what you pay for, and at £500 a day I’d happily put magnacleanse on a regular swap

wrong is part of the install as these warranties are void without it also inbh

also needs servicing every year

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yip but still not required as part of install, as stated it’s personal preference and cost associated, I agree with you but the instructions will advise minimum requirements which I’ve stated and I feel at that point installers can’t be held liable, so if that’s what they advise and if that’s what’s carried out under these schemes then why should installers be held liable, unfortunately it’s simple you get what you pay for, and at £500 a day I’d happily put magnacleanse on a regular swap

Are you Gas safe registered?
As it sounds like you are not.

 

[Dake205]

I am gsr, clearly you can tell that lol if you have doubts ask me anything, so at what point of an install mentions magnacleanse as minimum and what associations does cleaning have to do with gas safe, water quality is the first test they’ll do as they know older systems will fail with minimum cleaning requirements meaning they can void warranty, define servicing lol

 

[Aire]

I am gsr, clearly you can tell that lol if you have doubts ask me anything, so at what point of an install mentions magnacleanse as minimum and what associations does cleaning have to do with gas safe, water quality is the first test they’ll do as they know older systems will fail with minimum cleaning requirements meaning they can void warranty, define servicing lol

No point of install recommends a magnacleanse as a minimum. But all boilers state the system should be cleansed in accordance with bs7593 and any system not cleansed to bs7593 shall void the warranty. If you read bs7593 you shall see that as a minimum you shall use a appropriate cleaner for the reccomended amount of time which is usually an hour, then drain down and refil a minimum of 3 times. Or you could as Shaun says, use chemicals and magnacleanse which will no doubt do the same job but probably a little quicker.
Do you still believe that you can swap a heat only boiler in 4 hours and still comply with the manufactures instructions and not void the warranty?

 

[Harvest Fields]

I am gsr, clearly you can tell that lol if you have doubts ask me anything, so at what point of an install mentions magnacleanse as minimum and what associations does cleaning have to do with gas safe, water quality is the first test they’ll do as they know older systems will fail with minimum cleaning requirements meaning they can void warranty, define servicing lol

So have you sent us your gas safe details?

 

[Riley]

I am gsr, clearly you can tell that lol if you have doubts ask me anything, so at what point of an install mentions magnacleanse as minimum and what associations does cleaning have to do with gas safe, water quality is the first test they’ll do as they know older systems will fail with minimum cleaning requirements meaning they can void warranty, define servicing lol

If you are GS then please provide your details as asked repeatedly

 

[Harvest Fields]

I am gsr, clearly you can tell that lol if you have doubts ask me anything, so at what point of an install mentions magnacleanse as minimum and what associations does cleaning have to do with gas safe, water quality is the first test they’ll do as they know older systems will fail with minimum cleaning requirements meaning they can void warranty, define servicing lol

Also we cannot tell as you do not have the GSR badge next to your name.

 

[Rilla]

Just a quick update and big thank you to all who have replied to my post.
The engineer called back and made some alterations and the boiler seems fine now.

 

[Riley]

Can we ask what was done?

 

[Rilla]

Yes, the main problem was the flow and return pipes where wrong, you can see the flow now goes to the pump. The filter is now on the return pipe to the boiler.
Also a bypass as been fitted.

 

[Aire]

Bypass is in the wrong place though

 

[Rilla]

Oh no! I said I was happy as boiler ran for over an hour with no problems. I don't really want to bother the engineer again.

 

[Aire]

Have you got a pic of your airing cupboard, you may not need a bypass depending on setup. If you do require it though it will need moving.

 

[Rilla]

I've had a look and I believe its a three position valve (y plan?) so would this be ok? I am assuming if no demand for heat or water then the valve is in the middle and so there is a path back to the boiler in case of frost protection coming on?

 

[Rilla]

I see what you mean by the position of the bypass being wrong though, I'm guessing it should be after the pump?

 

[Aire]

I've had a look and I believe its a three position valve (y plan?) so would this be ok? I am assuming if no demand for heat or water then the valve is in the middle and so there is a path back to the boiler in case of frost protection coming on?

If your on a 3 port then a bypass shouldn't be required. When there's no demand for heat the valve rests in the hot water position. The reason for a bypass is for s plan systems where once the boiler shuts off, the pump continues to over run to dissipate heat from the boiler. With zone valves theres no where for the heat to go so a bypass is fitted instead. In your case this shouldn't be an issue as during pump over run, the water will circulate the hot water circuit. The only reason I can think you may require a bypass, is if you have trvs on every radiator. In this situation, if your only calling for heat to the radiators and all trvs close, you'll have no where for the water to flow, so a bypass would still be required, but even then, it's still in the wrong place.

 

[Rilla]

Thanks Craig, theres a couple of radiators without trvs so it should be ok. Will the bypass cause any problems as I really don't want to have to call back the engineer again?

 

[Aire]

I see what you mean by the position of the bypass being wrong though, I'm guessing it should be after the pump?

Yes should be after the pump. Should have at least a 2m run of pipework.

 

[Aire]

Thanks Craig, theres a couple of radiators without trvs so it should be ok. Will the bypass cause any problems as I really don't want to have to call back the engineer again?

Not knowing if the engineer actually set it up and whether it will actually work in that position, I'm going to say it should be ok, but I'd still advise you get it removed.

 

[Aire]

Yes should be after the pump. Should have at least a 2m run of pipework.

Shouldn't it? @Harvest Fields

 

[Harvest Fields]

I’m on about the 2m of pipework. Normally it is straight off the pump.

 

[Aire]

I’m on about the 2m of pipework. Normally it is straight off the pump.

Is the 2m of pipework wrong? I don't fit many bypass's so don't want to be giving incorrect info.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Is the 2m of pipework wrong? I don't fit many bypass's so don't want to be giving incorrect info.

Don’t know specifics. Was always told as long as it is in between the pump and controls.