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[Howsie]

Read up on Corbyns associations with Sinn Fein/IRA.

The man neither has my vote nor my trust.

He's is neither a terrorist or a sympathiser that I know for a fact.

 

[Howsie]

not recognising the queen or anthem, or answering simple questions in politeness, is good enough for me

I do love our Queen!

 

[Howsie]

Corbyn is a dick and even he knows it but he is ramming that dick up the rse of the Blairites just because he can.
We have in the past week seen not only a labour party rebellion (basically a coup supported/orchestrated by Alistair Campbell who miraculously appeared on every media channel as the shadow cabinet left one by one for maximum impact) but also an establishment dig at him (camerons jibe). 170 odd of his party openly rebelling and no one wants to be the first to put the boot in because they know they will loose.
I have no time for the man and disagree with just about everything he stands for but the alternative labour party is some uni graduate who went straight into politics and knows nothing about the working man or classes. Politicians are all just different shades of grey these days no matter what party they are in.
I wouldn't trust any of them to bring me back the correct change if i sent them to the shop.
As Bob sung, the times they are a changing.
Btw imo, if Gove wins with the tories we are fkd.

What does he stand for? BTW, I'm not a Labour voter.

 

[Howsie]

Talkinkpysh. He should go join the 45 but he will not renew his membership next year!

Been there with the bitterness.

We both voted out in the Scottish ref and Denise's birthday is the 18th Sept (referendum day, full of hope) and mine is the 19th (judgement day, dejected)
I truly felt the 19th September 2014 was the worst day of my life ever. Its a feeling i still can't quite explain and for the next 2 or 3 months i honestly wanted to kill anyone who voted No and fell out with friends of many years including members of my family.

Maybe some feel this way about this ref?

By Christmas i had calmed down and accepted things as they were.

Btw i agree with a lot of Sturgeons policies but i (and everyone i know) would never vote to leave the UK to join the Euros. She has miscalculated on that one. It will never happen.
At least we could come out with a few songs at the time. I've never heard a song from either Remain of Brexit
eg
Just transpose the words to suit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaZ10brOWM

I'm probably where you were, very ****ing angry.

 

[Howsie]

So basically if no one agrees with you they are wrong.

Still don't understand how you came to that conclusion... but I'm half a bottle in.

 

[tamz]

Really idgaf what corbyn or his mainly swp supporters stand for. The labour party as it is are unelectabale to the majority of VOTERS who number a great deal more the party members. This is worse than the Micheal Foot thing the Tories are raising a glass to corbyn. Momentum and their like will kill off labour for the majority of voters and what will that lead to~? A Tory gov.

People need to wake up and look outside our bbc/ sky news for the real stories about what is happening as those 2 will never report other than a mention if needs be.
Its all there on the internet if you look hard enough and the ******* politicians (who have never worked a shift in their lives) don't like it. Fk them it will get worse.
We need politicians wi a pair of fkn balls to stand on principle (most of any examples i could give are retired or dead so we are left with a shower of useless spineless cants)

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Still don't understand how you came to that conclusion... but I'm half a bottle in.

Time to either finish the bottle or go to bed me thinks

 

[Best]

He's is neither a terrorist or a sympathiser that I know for a fact.

Can you seriously prove that? What more does Corbyn factually have to do to make you think of him as he really was and is, - a looney far left, thinks he is smarter than most, terrorist sympathiser?
If you are old enough and aware of the man at those times, you would remember him giving support to the IRA. And it wasn't just him making a one off verbal support, where it could just be put down to ignorance, - he consistently backed them for years.
I don't recall Corbyn supporting the British people in a similar manner.
I think he is just a looney far left mouth piece who sat comfortably in the background taking an extreme view and now that he has got old has suddenly come out of obscurity to fill a vacancy.
He will not go far anyhow.

 

[REDSAW]

relutantly! i aggree with tam, post 206. and i am from mining stock labour core!
they are like scargill union leaders with no real morals and looking for fame and a big pay check!

at this moment i am tempted to swing to other parties come an election.....

 

[Stanios]

I'm not old enough to know of the IRA stuff however I am a leftie and much prefer Corbyn to the new labour. Corbyn had my attention soon as he was declared an MP who had the least claims at a time when just about every MP was literally robbing the taxpayer to small or large extent. He is outspoken on issues many politicians glide over because of how disconnected they are from the common man. Brexit happened in large because of this disconnect. He is capable leader too he was firm on certain issues from the start i.e trident, migration and a critic of the EU. His party never fell short of hamstringing him at every turn because they cant comprehend that politics are changing and he is just ahead of his time. If they supported him instead and got onboard Im sure labour would take Leave side this would add to his many victories already and set Labour on the road to becoming the leading party.

Instead we will have a collapsed party with one half of backward looking middle ground Blairites and other half of hard lefts in isolation not capable of achieving much of anything.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Well with all these Political experts on here who don't know who to believe anymore ! or who to vote for ! Now is the time to form a new Party ! The UK Plumbers party ! arty: Nominations for PM & chancellor, We can take over with all this falling out with the main party's they will never see us coming The time as come for the Brothers to take control. :tank: :hurray:

 

[hammers4spanner]

Well with all these Political experts on here who don't know who to believe anymore ! or who to vote for ! Now is the time to form a new Party ! The UK Plumbers party ! arty: Nominations for PM & chancellor, We can take over with all this falling out with the main party's they will never see us coming The time as come for the Brothers to take control. :tank: :hurray:

Haha about right

 

[rpm]

Well with all these Political experts on here who don't know who to believe anymore ! or who to vote for ! Now is the time to form a new Party ! The UK Plumbers party ! arty: Nominations for PM & chancellor, We can take over with all this falling out with the main party's they will never see us coming The time as come for the Brothers to take control. :tank: :hurray:

Oh Jesus, not more campaigns, polls and elections. :banghead:

 

[Howsie]

Really idgaf what corbyn or his mainly swp supporters stand for. The labour party as it is are unelectabale to the majority of VOTERS who number a great deal more the party members. This is worse than the Micheal Foot thing the Tories are raising a glass to corbyn. Momentum and their like will kill off labour for the majority of voters and what will that lead to~? A Tory gov.

People need to wake up and look outside our bbc/ sky news for the real stories about what is happening as those 2 will never report other than a mention if needs be.
Its all there on the internet if you look hard enough and the ******* politicians (who have never worked a shift in their lives) don't like it. Fk them it will get worse.
We need politicians wi a pair of fkn balls to stand on principle (most of any examples i could give are retired or dead so we are left with a shower of useless spineless cants)

The World Is Not Enough.

 

[Howsie]

Can you seriously prove that? What more does Corbyn factually have to do to make you think of him as he really was and is, - a looney far left, thinks he is smarter than most, terrorist sympathiser?
If you are old enough and aware of the man at those times, you would remember him giving support to the IRA. And it wasn't just him making a one off verbal support, where it could just be put down to ignorance, - he consistently backed them for years.
I don't recall Corbyn supporting the British people in a similar manner.
I think he is just a looney far left mouth piece who sat comfortably in the background taking an extreme view and now that he has got old has suddenly come out of obscurity to fill a vacancy.
He will not go far anyhow.

I can't even prove that I exist but I have deep Irish heritage. You know what that lots like...

 

[Howsie]

Murdoch want Corbyn out because of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn on bold new plans to break up big media groups | Media | The Drum

This is what every other MP/leader should be saying: [video=youtube;TDh8S2lrevg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDh8S2lrevg[/video]

He's not perfect. I'm not Labour. But he's the only one who's talking sense at the moment.

Farage will remain an MEP which pays him €7957 a month. You cannot make this **** up!!!

 

[Best]

I can't even prove that I exist but I have deep Irish heritage. You know what that lots like...

Yes, I do know what that lot is like. :smile: I won't take this far away from the EU thread, so I don't want to go on about Irish stuff, but on the subject of heritage, it concerns me. In fact, I think heritage, or what people believe their heritage is, can and has influenced many to form extreme views. It is really true racism I think. Heavens knows where Corbyn got his sympathies from though. I wish he had been under the thumb of Irish bullying or Irish terrorists just to find out what his view was then. If he thinks it should be a "United Ireland", he should have looked at the faults in all Ireland. But talk is cheap and plentiful in politics as we all know.
I find it strange that anyone can think of Ireland as being only for those in Ireland who think they are Irish. If we applied that idea to Europe, then all borders and probably all European people are wrong and should be removed. History happened. And it is no fault of anyone alive today, or any political party.
Another thread, for a different forum perhaps.

 

[REDSAW]

just thought...

if uk leaves eu, ireland is in eu.....stop eu immagrants from free travel or regulated control.....................
where do all the gypo's go? could be time to get rid of them? hmmmmm!

 

[REDSAW]

I PREDICT A RIOT!!!

new conservative prime minister!, conducting a rigged vote, does not represent the majority tory/brexit voter. will come from the remain camp, where the intention was to stay all along..

result,- leave E.U to satisfy the referendum, leave everything prety much as it was or take Norway path!.

problem.-.according to the 'toffs' the majority out voter was 3rd class uneducated British citizens (you know the type, they more likely to **** you one for staring)..

conclusion,- its these type people that take no **** especially for back stabbing and are the most likely type to create a riot..oh wait! just like when we last had a woman prime minister!, toxteth, brixton, nottingham lalala. civil unrest..hate crimes etc. lets just hope i am wrong for a change and the goverment do the right thing FOR THE MAJORITY (on immigration etc).

one things for sure, it appears the cons' have decided to leave 'politics as usual' and have not yet learnt a lesson from public oppinion over this vote and enevitably will fall from power come an election. labour are no better, libs ? wtf are they? so the country will be run by greenpeace or the likes. just what we need to boost the ecconomy.lol

 

[hammers4spanner]

I'm going to the beach tomorrow to bury my head in the sand !!

 

[Best]

I really hope our government removes us properly from Europe.
The EU should be told we have our own rules

 

[tamz]

[video=youtube;7s1FNjJbfwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s1FNjJbfwI[/video]

 

[WaterTight]

In fact, I think heritage, or what people believe their heritage is, can and has influenced many to form extreme views. It is really true racism I think.

Heritage is a fine and noble concept. Patriotism is hard to defend as an idea to be spread beyond private practise.

Heavens knows where Corbyn got his sympathies from though.

Nick Cohen described Corbyn as the "world's oldest student." That's the best description I've yet to hear and makes sense of most of what he does and says. As Peter Tatchell says though if you look at his record as a whole and his policy aspirations, they are the best on offer. Well, if you dress to the left that is.

 

[Best]

Nick Cohen described Corbyn as the "world's oldest student." That's the best description I've yet to hear and makes sense of most of what he does and says. As Peter Tatchell says though if you look at his record as a whole and his policy aspirations, they are the best on offer. Well, if you dress to the left that is.

Lol! Probably does describe Corbyn well. A student who will just stay that way, still learning but not achieving.
Still, one thing I will admit, Tony Blair is worse

 

[WaterTight]

He's not best. But he's not half as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

 

[WaterTight]

"When Tony Blair took office, Slobodan Milošević was cleansing and raping the republics of the former Yugoslavia. Mullah Omar was lending Osama bin Laden the hinterland of a failed and rogue state. Charles Taylor of Liberia was leading a hand-lopping militia of enslaved children across the frontier of Sierra Leone, threatening a blood-diamond version of Rwanda in West Africa. And the wealth and people of Iraq were the abused private property of Saddam Hussein and his crime family. Today, all of these Caligula figures are at least out of power, and at the best either dead or on trial. How can anybody with a sense of history not grant Blair some portion of credit for this? And how can anybody with a tincture of moral sense go into a paroxysm and yell that it is he who is the war criminal? It is as if all the civilians murdered by al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be charged to his account."

Christopher Hitchens writing in Vanity Fair 2011

 

[Best]

He's not best. But he's not half as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

I can never trust him because of his past. I wish I could, because I do like someone who try's to stop the nonsense of what goes on in government and the waste of money on nuclear weapons, etc, etc. But I will always be suspicious of him.

 

[Best]

"When Tony Blair took office, Slobodan Milošević was cleansing and raping the republics of the former Yugoslavia. Mullah Omar was lending Osama bin Laden the hinterland of a failed and rogue state. Charles Taylor of Liberia was leading a hand-lopping militia of enslaved children across the frontier of Sierra Leone, threatening a blood-diamond version of Rwanda in West Africa. And the wealth and people of Iraq were the abused private property of Saddam Hussein and his crime family. Today, all of these Caligula figures are at least out of power, and at the best either dead or on trial. How can anybody with a sense of history not grant Blair some portion of credit for this? And how can anybody with a tincture of moral sense go into a paroxysm and yell that it is he who is the war criminal? It is as if all the civilians murdered by al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be charged to his account."

Christopher Hitchens writing in Vanity Fair 2011

Truth is, if I had been Prime Minister I could never have made a perfect decision. It is a job I would not want to have.
I do think military intervention is inevitable sometimes, but Tony Blair lied us into a mess. He is a good actor.
Ridiculous he sent our soldiers with useless military vehicles and other equipment. We all knew at the time, but nothing was done about it.

 

[WaterTight]

If a man seeks power, he is not fit for it. The faultline lies in the role itself. As long as we are to be led we will be led by those unfit for the task. Might there be a time when populations unite and organise in the service of sympathy for others and solidarity and power systems are dismantled if they are unecessary/self-serving and the politicians are ousted and even the police hang up their hats and the world become a self-governing utopia of.... Nahhhhhhh

 

[tamz]

"When Tony Blair took office, Slobodan Milošević was cleansing and raping the republics of the former Yugoslavia. Mullah Omar was lending Osama bin Laden the hinterland of a failed and rogue state. Charles Taylor of Liberia was leading a hand-lopping militia of enslaved children across the frontier of Sierra Leone, threatening a blood-diamond version of Rwanda in West Africa. And the wealth and people of Iraq were the abused private property of Saddam Hussein and his crime family. Today, all of these Caligula figures are at least out of power, and at the best either dead or on trial. How can anybody with a sense of history not grant Blair some portion of credit for this? And how can anybody with a tincture of moral sense go into a paroxysm and yell that it is he who is the war criminal? It is as if all the civilians murdered by al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be charged to his account."

Christopher Hitchens writing in Vanity Fair 2011

Most of that is plausible. I could add few things but i'm working in the morning.

I don't think Tony Blair is a war criminal. He was faced with some hard decisions and made some wrong ones (backed by parliament).
He is however guilty of having his head so far up Bush's rse he should have drowned in the **** and whatever part of Whitehall it is that deals with these things are guilty of not having a plan on what to do afterwards (if they did, someone threw the *** packet out the window).
Just as they "seemingly" have no exit plan for Brexit which imo may mean we never quite get there.
I remain the optimist :whatchutalkingabout

 

[REDSAW]

analyse this, worth watching until the end>>>>>>>>>>>>.
[[video=youtube_share;3xq-gWv91WM]https://youtu.be/3xq-gWv91WM[/video]

 

[REDSAW]

oh dear! starting to get wide eyed now..
anyone else studdied the Rothchilds dynasty?
they own half the worlds wealth at 1'5 trillion (inc;most of the gold in the bank of england), most of it through funding war and the long term plans of the E.U of ballancing the members out put to central state!
also have you wondered why the U.K has lost all of its industry? this matches the theories, gulp@~@

 

[Howsie]

I'm going to the beach tomorrow to bury my head in the sand !!

At least it will be clean sand, that's as a result of an EU law.