Do you need a hand?

[jase158]

Hi all,

I live in Buckinghamshire but am looking to move to west london in the next year,

I am asking all plumbers in the west/ north london and Buckinghamshire area if they are willing to take on a 25year old Plumbers mate,

I know this forum is full of people asking for apprenticeships but I am not asking for training or apprenticeships.

I am looking for a plumber who is willing to take me on at a cost of £100 per day.

I will do any work, from fetching tools from the van, to fitting pipes or even little maintenance jobs on my own.

I currently have the NVQ2 (From training centre) and Technical Certificate Level 2 (from Aylesbury College). I have got my JIB-PMES card and I am very hard working.

Now the only restriction is that I do not know much about advanced systems, so obviously could not be left alone to do water heaters, unvented cylinders, Boilers, Gas work, Electrical work or any other such items.

But I would be able to do tidy joints, runs, toilets, bathrooms and all basic plumbing. I am looking to further my training but I am willing to do this on my own back and get myself through what is needed.

I have a van full of tools that will be at your disposal and I am always filling up flux, solder, i.e. so no need to buy any of these sort of things. hence why asking for £100 per day.

If you have a few days work or even if you are willing to take me on full time, please feel free to contact me.

 

[Barry98]

the grass is not greener

 

[davebigpipes]

Point your missing is that any one who is busy enough to employ some one full time like you want would already have employed some one for less money as their work built up. If you think its that easy to provide someone with enough work aswell as your self full time then why don't you go self employed and with the 200 per day you think you can get employ someone your self to do the admin that you don't want to do?

 

[GQuigley67]

thats my goal employing someone to do the admin and deal with moany customers lol

 

[jase158]

Can i just point out a lil fact that I have noticed,
Below is a similar threads section, which has 4 helping hand threads,
1 has 4 replies and the other 3 have 0 replies,
The fact of the matter is that if I had said I will work for free, then you would of thought, oh not another one!!!
If I had asked for £50 a day I would of got a few good luck messages.
But because I asked for £100 a day a realistic amount that I need to survive on, suddenly everyone is outraged, "this person is trying to actually be sensible and ask for a sensible amount, how outrageous"
How many people who offer their services for free actually keep the job for longer then a few weeks.
Anybody who is older then 17/18 has got bills, they have food to buy and rent to pay.
For anybody living at home with parents that are not paying bills then fair play, working for free or for £40 a week is fair play and if you want to take advantage of this then fair play to you.
But this is not physically possible for me, I need Around £80-£100 a day to pay my bills and feed my family.
If you do not have a job or wish to pay this then fair play, thank you for looking. However I still hold great belief that there are people out there who are willing to pay this much.
Only time will tell.

 

[jase158]

thats my goal employing someone to do the admin and deal with moany customers lol

Wonder if I could employ somebody to deal with moany forum plumbers?

 

[Hybrid]

Give it a rest

 

[jase158]

Point your missing is that any one who is busy enough to employ some one full time like you want would already have employed some one for less money as their work built up. If you think its that easy to provide someone with enough work aswell as your self full time then why don't you go self employed and with the 200 per day you think you can get employ someone your self to do the admin that you don't want to do?

I do get the point, every body on here thinks that a Wet plumber is only worth £40 a day, thats £200 a week, I could earn more then that doing 40 hours at mcdonalds or at a warehouse, so no I don't believe it.

 

[SimonJohns]

I do get the point, every body on here thinks that a Wet plumber is only worth £40 a day, thats £200 a week, I could earn more then that doing 40 hours at mcdonalds or at a warehouse, so no I don't believe it.

100M + wet plumbers £40 a day
100K + boiler bashers £100 a day
10K maybe, GOOD breakdown engineers £150 a day

supply and demand!

 

[GQuigley67]

your bascially the equivelent to a 3rd or 4th year apprentice, you can do the wet stuff but not the advanced stuff, so your only going to get as much as what they get imho

 

[tamz]

100K + boiler bashers £100 a day

The good ones are on £400+ a day :wink:

 

[Dannypipe]

This isn't Jase's fault. Genuinely it isn't, and as a father to a young family myself, I feel totally sorry for him.

He can't survive on £40 a day. I've had people work for me for free, and they're all either very young and still living at home or have the money to be able to not earn for a while.

This is the media, and the colleges telling lies.

Jase, I don't have any work for you....but wish you the best. My advice is to try and find your own work.

 

[tamz]

Maybe better registering with some of these
[DLMURL="http://www.agencycentral.co.uk/agencysearch/bypostcode.htm?IndustryFilter=construction&LocationID=London&x=106&y=21&ASB=1&MatchType=lookupbyname&MatchID="]Nearest Construction agencies to London[/DLMURL]

Agency work may not be great but it can be steady. No one will expect too much of you and generally it is do this do that stuff. It can be a good way to get experience of things you would never come across and learn.

 

[jase158]

100M + wet plumbers £40 a day
100K + boiler bashers £100 a day
10K maybe, GOOD breakdown engineers £150 a day

supply and demand!

Supply 100,110,000 Plumbers
Demand 62,218,000 Population of uk

So thats 1.5 plumbers for each person in the uk

No wonder we are all struggling.

 

[jase158]

your bascially the equivelent to a 3rd or 4th year apprentice, you can do the wet stuff but not the advanced stuff, so your only going to get as much as what they get imho

I agree but would a level 3/4 Apprentice have full driving license, own van, own insurance and own tools?

What I am saying is if you add up costs, like time spent training up, diesel, tools, extra materials fixing their mistakes, employers liability, would you be paying £80- £100 in total per day?
or would you be paying more like £50-£60 per day?

 

[tamz]

Jase if you register with the agencies, no matter what it is they ask, tell them you can do it or have done it. Normally the work would be short term cover and there will be other guys on the site who will keep you right. If you are half switched on you will learn quick.

 

[WaterTight]

I agree but would a level 3/4 Apprentice have full driving license, own van, own insurance and own tools?

what would be cheaper, supplying them with the above or paying someone who already has the above double the daily rate

 

[Dannypipe]

Good advice from Tamz.

 

[GQuigley67]

agreed good advice from tamz, agency work is easy work, and its only short term.

im not entirely sure about apprenticeships jase but i believe you get some funding up here if your with SNIPEF, i dont know about the going rate down south is for plumbers but people up here are on £100-£120 a day, thats SE guys even less when your on the books.

 

[REDSAW]

Fair point!

344.6 direct working hours
At least 400 hours for travel, chatting to customers, "could you just jobs", etc

And, in case you're wondering
Charge to customer per hour: £31.51

Out of this I receive £26.11 per hour gross (labour plus profit on stock sold) (£31.51 minus travel time costs)
Taken down to £16.66 per hour after some costs e.g. motor and travel, advertising, sundries, etc, etc
This will come down further due to remaining costs not yet taken into account. For example, depreciation, office use, insurance, clothing, etc as they're calculated at the end of the year.

This takes the £16.66 down to say to around £10.80 per hour.

£10.80 x 7.5 = £81 per day
= £405 per week = £19,440 (48 weeks)

£19.5k is the maximum because we all have days where we're ill, family commitment, customer not in or cancelling at the last minute, delivery late, etc, etc.

I've not typed this to prove a point - just I've never worked out these figures before despite taking time to record the necessary information!

if i were you, ask jase if he can get you a job.lol.

 

[RCJ]

Jase why don't you do what I do, get a full time job (I work nights) then in the day make top up cash, until youve got loads of experience to tackle the trades well! Eventually moving on to being self employed all the time?

At least you know you have the money coming in at this tricky time?

Hope this helps

 

[sparra1100]

Can i just point out a lil fact that I have noticed,
Below is a similar threads section, which has 4 helping hand threads,
1 has 4 replies and the other 3 have 0 replies,
The fact of the matter is that if I had said I will work for free, then you would of thought, oh not another one!!!
If I had asked for £50 a day I would of got a few good luck messages.
But because I asked for £100 a day a realistic amount that I need to survive on, suddenly everyone is outraged, "this person is trying to actually be sensible and ask for a sensible amount, how outrageous"
How many people who offer their services for free actually keep the job for longer then a few weeks.
Anybody who is older then 17/18 has got bills, they have food to buy and rent to pay.
For anybody living at home with parents that are not paying bills then fair play, working for free or for £40 a week is fair play and if you want to take advantage of this then fair play to you.
But this is not physically possible for me, I need Around £80-£100 a day to pay my bills and feed my family.
If you do not have a job or wish to pay this then fair play, thank you for looking. However I still hold great belief that there are people out there who are willing to pay this much.
Only time will tell.

ye but jase your just not getting it mate no one is going to pay you £500 a week plus tax and insurance the employers liablilty etc on top mate when your just a plumber or plumbers mate and not even gas safe regardless of what you need to pay your bills i only get £80 a day wen i help a bloke out and am gas safe the lot so £100 just aint happening

 

[jase158]

Jase why don't you do what I do, get a full time job (I work nights) then in the day make top up cash, until youve got loads of experience to tackle the trades well! Eventually moving on to being self employed all the time?

At least you know you have the money coming in at this tricky time?

Hope this helps

Just out of curiosity, when do you sleep?

Good advice but not for me. I need 7-8 hours sleep and get an ear full for working late, so working 16-18 hour days is just not an option, might as well write my divorce papers out now if I planned to do that.

 

[jase158]

Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.

 

[GQuigley67]

I think £60 is a more realistic figure

 

[kirkgas]

I think £60 is a more realistic figure

aye for the trainee to pay YOU

 

[dontknowitall]

Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.

I gave a fairly detailed account of figures.

And I have declared where I live too.

 

[Barry98]

i think you need to consider a carrer change am afraid , how many hours a day are you willing to work just for the sake of asking 9-5

 

[GQuigley67]

not sure i quite follow ya kirk lol

 

[tamz]

Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.

£100 (£12.50/hr) is very realistic anywhere for books in. £400 a day (piece work) is realistic books in too if you are good and fast but you won't be home at 5.
Get yourself signed up with every agency you can think of.

 

[jase158]

9-5 = 8 hours,
My post clearly says I will not work 16-18 hours, this is start at 7am and finnish 11pm-1am, this is what RCJ was saying.


No wonder you are only getting £80 a day, if you can't read.