But what controls do I ACTUALLY need to have installed with the boiler?!

[kay-jay]

Cool story bro.

 

[Frelon]

Agree with Howsie, weather compensation should be a must have. Not much additional cost but well worth having.
Sadly not fitted in many cases to keep the overall cost down [emoji857][emoji857]

 

[townfanjon]

Another +one for the weather comp . I wouldnt be without it now

 

[jtsplumbing]

Agree with Howsie, weather compensation should be a must have. Not much additional cost but well worth having.
Sadly not fitted in many cases to keep the overall cost down [emoji857][emoji857]

Well that's the way of the world, customer wants first class job for third class price, we can only advise ! customers always wineing about price never want to spend on heating/water, think nothing about spending 20K + on a car or 3K on a holiday when it comes to new boiler they always think its a rip off, they want a boiler fitted for 1K and expect it to last 50 years,

 

[Blackspaven]

Customer also presumably wants to understand what it is they're actually paying for, if it's actually needed, and that they're not actually getting ripped off when you ask two different installers and between them black can be white depending on who you listen

Example in question: two installers came this week, one said the boiler was fine where it was, the other said it had to be moved as Worcester require a gap of 600mm from the front of the boiler to allow removal of the cage and for the engineer to work on it and mine only has 400 odd. By the book, the second guy was 100% correct, but when I asked the first guy he just said, 'ah, it'll be fine, there's more than enough space to work on it.' So if I go for the first guy and I have a problem after which Worcester send an engineer who says it's too close and it voids the warranty, then I should just accept that the first guy was a cheeky old so & so and just go about my way?? No, but I'm expected to trust the info given by plumbers/installers without questioning it!

Perhaps if people ALL did a first rate job, they wouldn't get questioned about what they're doing, and hear whining (note the spelling) about why the prices can vary so much!!

If you hate people so much, then change jobs!!

 

[jtsplumbing]

Customer also presumably wants to understand what it is they're actually paying for, if it's actually needed, and that they're not actually getting ripped off when you ask two different installers and between them black can be white depending on who you listen

Example in question: two installers came this week, one said the boiler was fine where it was, the other said it had to be moved as Worcester require a gap of 600mm from the front of the boiler to allow removal of the cage and for the engineer to work on it and mine only has 400 odd. By the book, the second guy was 100% correct, but when I asked the first guy he just said, 'ah, it'll be fine, there's more than enough space to work on it.' So if I go for the first guy and I have a problem after which Worcester send an engineer who says it's too close and it voids the warranty, then I should just accept that the first guy was a cheeky old so & so and just go about my way?? No, but I'm expected to trust the info given by plumbers/installers without questioning it!

Perhaps if people ALL did a first rate job, they wouldn't get questioned about what they're doing, and hear whining (note the spelling) about why the prices can vary so much!!

If you hate people so much, then change jobs!!

Lucky I scrolled down on to reply or I would have missed most of your reply ! Its difficult to comment on what you have been told (hearsay) you don't have to listen to what your being told or advised, Do your own research and make your own decision then you only have your self to blame if things are not right, do all the running around, purchase all the materials, call someone to fit it, and be there so you can tell them what to do, Regards to your comment on getting different prices, well all that depends on what each persons overheads are, if your not happy with what a small (Sole trader) is telling you then go for the larger company's, BG just to name one, Do I hate people ?? 'NO' just get a bit P off at times with customers like you, thankfully I don't come across all that meny , & I've been in this job for 40+ years, and worked for all classes of people from Mr average to Lords & Ladies, and unlike you they know what they want.

 

[Blackspaven]

Problem was I WASN'T being advised on one count and then had conflicting info on the other, hence asking a larger group of individuals on here, just didn't know when you did ask things, some people throw there toys out the pram! Fortunately.there HAVE been some very helpful individuals on here who have helped me back up thewhich bits of conflicting info I was actually told.

I know what I would like, and happy to pay the going rate for it, just not happy to be fobbed off or talked down to by alpha male cowboy plumbers who don't appear to want to pass on ALL the information. Don't worry, I wouldn't let suchlike do any work in my house. ;-)

 

[Blackspaven]

To the non-idiotic egomaniacs and other less illiterate individuals on here, thanks for the heads up on the weather compensation controllers, I'll have a look into them. Surprisingly, not one person who quoted for the job suggested them, with one even just texting ":nono:" when I asked them they're opinion of them!

It's the way of the world, I guess

 

[jtsplumbing]

Problem was I WASN'T being advised on one count and then had conflicting info on the other, hence asking a larger group of individuals on here, just didn't know when you did ask things, some people throw there toys out the pram! Fortunately.there HAVE been some very helpful individuals on here who have helped me back up thewhich bits of conflicting info I was actually told.

I know what I would like, and happy to pay the going rate for it, just not happy to be fobbed off or talked down to by alpha male cowboy plumbers who don't appear to want to pass on ALL the information. Don't worry, I wouldn't let suchlike do any work in my house. ;-)

There is some information we are not allowed to pass on to non Gas Safe people (Like you) as it is against forum rules, as you are aware there are Stupid people who think that messing around with gas is ok, & for all we know you could be one of them !
If you would like to know the secret's of the inner chamber then all you have to do is become as Registered gas engineer

 

[Blackspaven]

Inner chamber, lol. Fair play.

No, in MY job, I come across idiots who have messed with their own gas & electricity in the guise of diy quite a bit, so I completely understand that it's not something to 'have a go' with and would never try, I said as much on another thread.
I'm happy for whoever with whatever the right qualifications are to do the work for me, and at a reasonable price (even usually tip workmen if it's a good job), but BECAUSE at times it can all be a strange language (as with any technical job, mine included), sometimes there are a few things that just need explaining so one can appreciate what you need, what you're getting, and that the person giving it to you is along the same lines as the customer in terms of what the end goal is. Nothing in this thread that's overly difficult, just after a little clarity with some heating terms, practicalities and parts.

All I was struggling with at the start was something one of the installers said but didn't describe very well when asked... and who likes to ask someone the same question three or four times without getting a little awkwards?!

Every person on here knows that some people sell by baffling with science... and sometimes that science ain't too... scientific!