WTF? Is this acceprable?

[Supermeteor]

Hi, Guys,

Retired from the trade, I had a "major supplier" fit a kitchen recently. Their plumber's work was appalling. The kitchen fitting company couldn't see a problem. Let's have a few opinions here. The plumber was about 28, had been working for 8 years, and he did this passover bend-

Yes, hot and cold touch... No worries, eh? Yes, really it's just aesthetics, but if he'd been in my classes, he'd have failed NVQ1...Then he did this-

Has this become acceptable? Aside from anything else, he soldered the tee above the valve in situ, exposing the plastic/rubber parts to heat, which I'd not ever consider doing... Taking an extreme example of this into account, has anyone else encountered a plastic WC cistern valve tail that had been subjected to heat, and which had become embrittled? I have, snagging on big developers' sites... Time to get out a brass tap extender for a quick, dirty, fix... (no, I'd change the filler valve... For a brass tailed one)
Of course, he soldered isolation valve connections while connected to isolators for the kitchen taps and garden tap, too. I know why some guys do it, it's to ensure the valves are perpendicular/vertical , but the dozy bugger didn't even achieve that, the valves isolating the kitchen taps are angled away from the vertical, and at different heights, too.
The kitchen company can't see an issue. (I had to explain to a partner in the company what he was looking at in the second pic...) Am I too fussy? Would his work get him a pass at college nowadays?
Cat, pigeons...

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I’m surprised he’s used a set of benders most don’t

Also lever valve no rubber inside them

 

[Supermeteor]

I’m surprised he’s used a set of benders most don’t

Also lever valve no rubber inside them

You want to rethink that statement? 1/4 turn valves have nylon or rubber/synthetic rubber seatings, and rubber/synthetic rubber"O" rings around the spindle. Take one apart. I used to show students what they contained... I may post a pic if you doubt me. You think they're sealed metal/metal, like plug cocks?

Benders? yes, a relative who lives between here and Canada (not geographically, he splits his time...) sent me pics of a Canadian plumbing installation. Fittings everywhere. We're not allowed by "code " to bend, his plumber said... Bollocks! I read Ontario code. They just can't bend, and we're heading that way. I'll bend a 10mm offset. it would take 4 elbows, though, wouldn't it, to achieve a 10mm offset? And it would be ugly... Really ugly... That's the future

 

[snowhead]

Was Stevie Wonder his tutor?

 

[Supermeteor]

Was Stevie Wonder his tutor?

Stevie Wonder's guide dog, more like... (and, being an old dog, he had cataracts...)

 

[ShaunCorbs]

You want to rethink that statement? 1/4 turn valves have nylon or rubber/synthetic rubber seatings, and rubber/synthetic rubber"O" rings around the spindle. Take one apart. I used to show students what they contained... I may post a pic if you doubt me. You think they're sealed metal/metal, like plug cocks?

Benders? yes, a relative who lives between here and Canada (not geographically, he splits his time...) sent me pics of a Canadian plumbing installation. Fittings everywhere. We're not allowed by "code " to bend, his plumber said... Bollocks! I read Ontario code. They just can't bend, and we're heading that way. I'll bend a 10mm offset. it would take 4 elbows, though, wouldn't it, to achieve a 10mm offset? And it would be ugly... Really ugly... That's the future

there more than fine to take the heat as there not rubber internals there ptfe/ teflon which as you know is ok upto 400dc

and its to do with there copper i belive harder than ours so it just splits / deforms / cracks so thats why they dont bend

 

[Scott_D]

Time to get your tools out and tidy it up

 

[firemant]

TBH, I am impressed that he has fitted a DC

 

[SimonG]

Does it work?
Does it leak?

If you don't like it, re do it.

 

[Scott_D]

TBH, I am impressed that he has fitted a DC

and a lever valve - not a £1 iso