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What does an un-sleeved as pipe come down as on a landlord safety check? If not to current standards is not applicable anymore? Thank you.
 
ShaunCorbs said:
depends how you interpret turning off the appliance/install
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NCS - doesn’t exist anymore, do whatever you want
AR - isolate at Gas supply or remove fuse from
Spur with permission, attach label and issue notice
ID - disconnect, or my interpretation (cap off if going back tomorrow) and attach label/leave notice. I physically do not know where you are saying I am wrong?
It maybe me just being stupid?
 
Harvest Fields said:
NCS - doesn’t exist anymore, do whatever you want
AR - isolate at Gas supply or remove fuse from
Spur with permission, attach label and issue notice
ID - disconnect, or my interpretation (cap off if going back tomorrow) and attach label/leave notice. I physically do not know where you are saying I am wrong?
It maybe me just being stupid?
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just with with sleeve theyve upgraded it from ncs to ar which i dont agree with
 
ShaunCorbs said:
so ar is cap the supply
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Nope, because you remove the fuse from the spur or turn the gas tap to off position or pull the ecv to the off position (this is not a cap as you can Turn it back on with minimum effort). When you cap something you are disconnecting it from the supply. You only disconnect on an ID. NOT AN AR.

Edit due to bad grammar
 
If eventually we solve this and I am wrong. I will apologise for being wrong. But at the minute I am standing my ground on this one.;);):D:D
 
ShaunCorbs said:
how do you isolate the install?
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Yeh I get where your coming from I think. If you can't isolate supply appliance without isolating whole install affecting other appliances then you would can it at appliance but that's quite a rare occurrence...
 
sammathias said:
Yeh I get where your coming from I think. If you can't isolate supply appliance without isolating whole install affecting other appliances then you would can it at appliance but that's quite a rare occurrence...
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But that isn’t what the GIUSP say. That is an isolated instance that you would deal
With when in that position.
 
thing is the appliance in question is the gas meter so your turning off the gas meter ?
 
The main point here is the fact of the location, because it's in meter box there is unregulated gas pressure (up to 75mb) which could potentially have a much higher leakage rate. Also no dilution with air will take place in a meter box. The key point is that prevention should be in place to stop that entering the building in the result of a leak. Ie the sealing in this instance is more important than the sleeve providing no deteriation of pipework.

As it stands its AR and turn off. Sealing it would lead it to be non compliant and advise customer regarding sleeve.

If it wasn't in a meter box it would just be non compliant regardless of sleeve or seal.

Hope this helps!
 
wattsie1987 said:
The main point here is the fact of the location, because it's in meter box there is unregulated gas pressure (up to 75mb) which could potentially have a much higher leakage rate. Also no dilution with air will take place in a meter box. The key point is that prevention should be in place to stop that entering the building in the result of a leak. Ie the sealing in this instance is more important than the sleeve providing no deteriation of pipework.

As it stands its AR and turn off. Sealing it would lead it to be non compliant and advise customer regarding sleeve.

If it wasn't in a meter box it would just be non compliant regardless of sleeve or seal.

Hope this helps!
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The point about the meter box is the point I was making and the reason I was asking which gas pipe. But thanks for the support. ;);)
 
townfanjon said:
Nah, ID capped , AR turned off , with the owners permission of course .
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If owner disagrees with AR turning off, do I need to fill out a form and attach a label and what should I do then if they don’t let me turning the appliance off when having AR ?

When having ID i will cap the meter or the appliance with customers permission, issuing a form and label it. If customers doesn’t want me I would need to call transco don’t I ?

I just want to be sure as I never done that but perhaps one day I come across something like this.

Thanks
 
@Matchless.plumb I cannot go through all this again mate:p:p. Really sorry. But the short version is if customer refuses either an isolation (AR) or disconnect (ID) (a cap off is not a disconnect which is needed for an ID) you call CADENT not Transco. Hope this makes sense if not I will type it all again and try to word it better;);)
 
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