Un-sleeved gas pipe, landlord saftey check.

[Matt0029]

What does an un-sleeved as pipe come down as on a landlord safety check? If not to current standards is not applicable anymore? Thank you.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

ncs just note down

unless showing signs of distress

 

[townfanjon]

Just seal it up , its quicker.

 

[Matt0029]

Just seal it up , its quicker.

Thanks to sleeve it the pipe would need cutting sleeve pushing through the wall and the pipe re connecting. Its not just the internal side of the sleeve that needs sealing. There's no sleeve there.

 

[townfanjon]

Thanks to sleeve it the pipe would need cutting sleeve pushing through the wall and the pipe re connecting. Its not just the internal side of the sleeve that needs sealing. There's no sleeve there.

Apologies pal , I read it too quick , can you cut the pipe lenthways and bend it over the pipe . Obviously depends if theres room .

 

[Old Account]

I would inform the customer and talk to her that it will need a sleeve. Tell her the price if she agrees you make a little more on the job if not ncs

 

[Sharp Point]

I thought there was no more NCS?

 

[Harvest Fields]

What does an un-sleeved as pipe come down as on a landlord safety check? If not to current standards is not applicable anymore? Thank you.

Gas pipe off the gas meter or through the wall to a boiler?

 

[king of pipes]

Post a picture up bud bit a of common sense needed here in a ideal world it should be sleeved all the way through and sealed on the inside , if its showing signs of distress then this should be addressed if not and the pipework is sound i would note it down on a gas saftey cert. Cheers kop

 

[Scott_D]

It's still NCS just make a note of it on paperwork
No warning notice needed

 

[Harvest Fields]

It's still NCS just make a note of it on paperwork
No warning notice needed

Not if it’s the pipe off the gas meter it isn’t.

 

[Scott_D]

Not if it’s the pipe off the gas meter it isn’t.

I ment NCS is still NCS

 

[quality]

Not if it’s the pipe off the gas meter it isn’t.

Care expand on that please. Its either AR or ID in which AR it is which is my understanding

 

[Harvest Fields]

Care expand on that please. Its either AR or ID in which AR it is which is my understanding

Your point is my point. Someone above was stating that it is only NCS, if you read my comments I have asked which gas pipe they are on about, as it is also my understanding to be AR as per GIUSP

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Not if it’s the pipe off the gas meter it isn’t.

Your point is my point. Someone above was stating that it is only NCS, if you read my comments I have asked which gas pipe they are on about, as it is also my understanding to be AR as per GIUSP

Only ar if it's medium Pressure

If the meters not sealed through the wall only ncs

 

[Harvest Fields]

Only ar if it's medium Pressure

If the meters not sealed through the wall only ncs

2.8 doesn’t say anything about being medium pressure mate.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Read the notes advise only, if it was true ar it would be isolate supply

In short most things that were ncs are now ar but advise only

 

[Harvest Fields]

Read the notes advise only, if it was true ar it would be isolate supply

In short most things that were ncs are now ar but advise only

I understand your point mate, but my point is that it is still AR not NCS. The op was classing it as NCS and it isn’t. You would still need to fill out a warning notice.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I understand your point mate, but my point is that it is still AR not NCS. The op was classing it as NCS and it isn’t. You would still need to fill out a warning notice.

As it's advise only no you wouldn't just note down on your sheet gas pipe unsleeved

They've put double standards for ar now which in my opinion is bs

 

[wattsie1987]

It's now "non compliant" providing no sign of damage to pipework. Advise to homeowner/agent/landlord. No longer formally notifiable. I'd personally seal it if in a meter box removing the chance of entry of gas from meter box.

 

[Harvest Fields]

As it's advise only no you wouldn't just note down on your sheet gas pipe unsleeved

They've put double standards for ar now which in my opinion is bs

I would still AR it. Don’t care what any of it says. My interpretation of 2.8 says it’s AR.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I would still AR it. Don’t care what any of it says. My interpretation of 2.8 says it’s AR.

So you would cap the supply then?

 

[Harvest Fields]

So you would cap the supply then?

You only cap ID. Or have they changed that as well?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

You only cap ID. Or have they changed that as well?

Ar if the risk goes away if you turn it off eg capped then do that

 

[ShaunCorbs]

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[Harvest Fields]

That diagram says I’m correct with what I was saying though. I’m now confused?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

That diagram says I’m correct with what I was saying though. I’m now confused?

2nd pic 2nd from bottom advise customer/ responsible person

 

[Harvest Fields]

But it is still AR so my point is I you should still leave a notice as this proves you have advised them

 

[ShaunCorbs]

But it is still AR so my point is I you should still leave a notice as this proves you have advised them

If you leave a notice you have to cap the supply

 

[Harvest Fields]

If you leave a notice you have to cap the supply

The is a flow chart somewhere that I cannot flipping find that says isolate or remove fuse for AR and cap/disconnect is for ID only

 

[townfanjon]

You can not cap AR

 

[Harvest Fields]

You can not cap AR

That’s what I am saying

 

[Harvest Fields]

You can not cap AR

But it is also still AR and not NCS

 

[ShaunCorbs]

You can not cap AR

depends how you interpret turning off the appliance/install

 

[Harvest Fields]

depends how you interpret turning off the appliance/install

NCS - doesn’t exist anymore, do whatever you want
AR - isolate at Gas supply or remove fuse from
Spur with permission, attach label and issue notice
ID - disconnect, or my interpretation (cap off if going back tomorrow) and attach label/leave notice. I physically do not know where you are saying I am wrong?
It maybe me just being stupid?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

NCS - doesn’t exist anymore, do whatever you want
AR - isolate at Gas supply or remove fuse from
Spur with permission, attach label and issue notice
ID - disconnect, or my interpretation (cap off if going back tomorrow) and attach label/leave notice. I physically do not know where you are saying I am wrong?
It maybe me just being stupid?

just with with sleeve theyve upgraded it from ncs to ar which i dont agree with

 

[Harvest Fields]

just with with sleeve theyve upgraded it from ncs to ar which i dont agree with

Bit that doesn’t mean I’m wrong. As I said earlier. It is down to engineer interpretation of the rule

 

[sammathias]

If you leave a notice you have to cap the supply

Isolate supply mate

 

[townfanjon]

Nah, ID capped , AR turned off , with the owners permission of course .

 

[Harvest Fields]

Isolate supply mate

I would isolate and leave a notice which is what I was trying to get too in the first place.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Isolate supply mate

how do you isolate the install?

 

[Harvest Fields]

just with with sleeve theyve upgraded it from ncs to ar which i dont agree with

Sleeve has been AR for years when it is straight off the gas meter.

 

[Harvest Fields]

how do you isolate the install?

By the appliance spur or Gas tap/ECV

 

[ShaunCorbs]

By the appliance spur or Gas tap/ECV

so ar is cap the supply

 

[Harvest Fields]

so ar is cap the supply

Nope, because you remove the fuse from the spur or turn the gas tap to off position or pull the ecv to the off position (this is not a cap as you can Turn it back on with minimum effort). When you cap something you are disconnecting it from the supply. You only disconnect on an ID. NOT AN AR.

Edit due to bad grammar

 

[Harvest Fields]

If eventually we solve this and I am wrong. I will apologise for being wrong. But at the minute I am standing my ground on this one.

 

[sammathias]

how do you isolate the install?

Yeh I get where your coming from I think. If you can't isolate supply appliance without isolating whole install affecting other appliances then you would can it at appliance but that's quite a rare occurrence...

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yeh I get where your coming from I think. If you can't isolate supply appliance without isolating whole install affecting other appliances then you would can it at appliance but that's quite a rare occurrence...

But that isn’t what the GIUSP say. That is an isolated instance that you would deal
With when in that position.

 

[sammathias]

Ok so a.r is isolate appliance and i.d is disconnect and cap...both with warning notice.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Ok so a.r is isolate appliance and i.d is disconnect and cap...both with warning notice.

Ok so a.r is isolate appliance and i.d is disconnect and cap...both with warning notice.

That’s what I think. But I am getting told otherwise on here.