Pc Simon harwood

[zeebeedee]

That seems like a massive miscarriage of justice to me! Have you read the mans disciplinary record?

 

[wheeto]

Given the information that the jury had, I would have come to the same decision. The new information about his character would make anyone, I'm sure, find him guilty though! The question is whether it's right that precons aren't disclosed to the jury, i.e. each case is judged purely on it's own. I'm certainly not sure either way.

 

[hammers4spanner]

shocking to be honest police seem to have there own rules imo

 

[secret squirrel]

I think that any police officer that leaves one force on medical grounds and avoids a discipline hearing then joins another force and then transfers back into his old force has a very dubious character.

The police have questions to answer and that is 'how is this possible'. I think he will loose his job on the police discipline board.

Having said that, I have personal experience with selective reporting of the press and the fact that the story they report only has to have a slight amount of truth to get away with it. The TV news is not that much better!

We only get snapshots of the evidence not the whole picture and we only get a snapshot of video taken by 'protestors'

I trust in the jury system 12 people sitting there listening to ALL the evidence presented and being directed by a judge. If the jury find him innocent then that is good enough for me.

As for the dishonesty (possibly) deceit (possibly) and violence used on previous occasions then this should be taken into account by the police complaints authority which are now independent.

 

[secret squirrel]

shocking to be honest police seem to have there own rules imo

This man was tried by our system in which we are all accountable, unless you/we/public think some members of society or in some jobs should be treated differently, with a different level of proof required.

 

[zeebeedee]

Personally I don't have a lot of faith in our justice system and today's case shows this, the man was walking away back to his attacker, in my eyes that makes him a bully and a coward and guilty as sin! Money talks and good briefs can spin any load of rubbish I mean remember this

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[secret squirrel]

Personally I don't have a lot of faith in our justice system and today's case shows this, the man was walking away back to his attacker, in my eyes that makes him a bully and a coward and guilty as sin! Money talks and good briefs can spin any load of rubbish I mean remember this

[DLMURL="http://www.motoringfirst.co.uk/MotorOffenceBible/Needed%20The%20Toilet.php"]MF - I Needed The Toilet, Speeding Loopholes[/DLMURL]

Not very often am I 100% serious but I feel quite strongly about this sort of stuff,
you can't compare a manslaughter case with that of a speeding ticket. Speeding tickets are held in magistrates courts with no jury and the manslaughter case is held in crown court.

I'd agree that on the face of it this man was walking away but you only saw a snapshot of the incident a 30 second video and a few press reports to base your opinion. The jury has had 7 (or whatever) days listening to the evidence, the whole evidence, watching all videos taken, looking at all pictures.

The job of a barrister, is to present the evidence, it is for the prosecution to PROVE the case beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[secret squirrel]

I also think this PC has a few mental issues, leaving the 'old bill' re-joining then back to the Met, he maybe a bully or a coward, this does not make him guilty of this offense.

 

[Rick74]

Clearly a bully and a coward in light of his record, but actually proving he was responsible for that poor man's death was always going to be incredibly difficult.

 

[stevetheplumber]

do you realy feel its right to be tried by 12 people without the sense to get out of jury service ?

 

[secret squirrel]

do you realy feel its right to be tried by 12 people without the sense to get out of jury service ?

Better 12 people than 3 judges that they have in some countries...