Old gravity hot water systems

[learnplum]

Hi all, is there no control for these on hot water, except for the boiler stat?
Does a permanent pilot just keep heating the hot water permanently?
Any wiring links for these old systems?

 

[Chalked]

You can do it with a 28mm motorised valve. This should be fitted on the return pipework from the cylinder. Preferable between the cylinder and cold feed connection. It must have the extra (white ) wire in the valve.
Called a "C" plan

 

[kris]

The pilot doesn't heat any water it's just there for ignition purposes.

 

[learnplum]

Thanks for that chalked, I have noted that info down.
The one I seen today, was open flue and no valve, only a pump when heating required.
So does the permanment pilot, just keep heating the water until the integral boiler stat says stop?:blush5:

 

[dancinplumba]

The pilot doesn't heat any water it's just there for ignition purposes.

Just wastes energy

 

[learnplum]

Thanks guys, so which control tell,s the boiler to fire up on hot water?

 

[learnplum]

Hi all, little more info.
Single channel clock for heating and room stat.
The clock signalled to the stat and the stat fired the boiler and pump.
The guy said he always has hot water?
I think the system is gravity fed, no extra controls?:blush5:

 

[Chalked]

Thanks guys, so which control tell,s the boiler to fire up on hot water?

The hot water Chanel on the programmer or time clock.

 

[learnplum]

Hi chalked, thats what throwin me.
There is no hot water output on his timeclock.
The timeclock only controls the heating side.
Did old gravity fed systems, rely on permanent pilots for hot water?:tounge_smile:

 

[Chalked]

The time clock is probably one channel, which might confuse you. The heating and water work to the same times, the room thermostat then controls the pump.
I never thought the day would come when the younger generation of plumbers rarely come across a permanent pilot!
the pilot light does not heat anything. It is there to ignite the burner when needed.

 

[kris]

The pilot ignites the main burner and the water inside the boiler would circulate to the hot water tank and back via gravity, whereas the heating is pumped, so anytime they switch the heating on the water to the hot water tank would automatically circulate and heat up the tank, but normally you have a second side to the programmer for hot water only and the only difference being that the pump doesnt come on to push water round rads,

 

[tamz]

Just thinking about that.
I used to like the sound of the pilot burning on my old back boiler when i was lying on the sheepskin rug watching the telly.
I found it quite theraputic :lol:

 

[Chalked]

but normally you have a second side to the programmer for hot water only and the only difference being that the pump doesnt come on to push water round rads,[/QUOTE]
or turning the stat down.arty:

 

[Chalked]

Just thinking about that.
I used to like the sound of the pilot burning on my old back boiler when i was lying on the sheepskin rug watching the telly.
I found it quite theraputic :lol:

and the constant ticking of the main burner expanding and contracting! Was cured on the later baxi Bbu's.

 

[tamz]

And the baffles pinging :lol:

 

[learnplum]

WOW, thank you!
Yes a bit younger, but invaluable!
Thank you sir.:blush5:

 

[dancinplumba]

Did my knees in these haha

 

[learnplum]

TOO,summarize this thread?
The one channel timeclock, is actually a 2 channel timeclock, putting heating and hot water on together?
The heating will be fired up via the room stat?
The hot water will be fired up via the integral boiler stat?
I think?

 

[Chalked]

TOO,summarize this thread?
The one channel timeclock, is actually a 2 channel timeclock, putting heating and hot water on together?
The heating will be fired up via the room stat?
The hot water will be fired up via the integral boiler stat?
I think?

close enough....:coffee:

 

[tamz]

Geez 5 minutes and i'll do you a drawing

 

[tamz]

Like this

 

[Rickster123]

Copyrite Tam made me chuckle!

 

[tamz]

Nice touch that i thought :lol:

 

[learnplum]

TAMZ!
Thanks but I can,t follow that!
I am a bit thick!

Thankyou for tryin!

 

[Rickster123]

TAMZ!
Thanks but I can,t follow that!
I am a bit thick!

Thankyou for tryin!

Bloody kids Tamz it's all computers and hashtags these days. Nobody understands the concept of a pre war boiler set up anymore....

 

[tamz]

Wait a minute and i'll put arrows on it

 

[learnplum]

So help me please?
My user name? thanks?

 

[Rickster123]

So help me please?
My user name? thanks?

Im only pulling your leg. I've been doing it 17 years and my answer would be rip it out and fit a new one. Nothing wrong with asking questions, a lot of knowledgable old hands on here.

 

[learnplum]

THANKS,only tryin too learn.
Quite good on electrical,willin too always help others!
Thanks.

 

[Chalked]

Think of of like a flow diagram.

power comes fom fused spur.
Power goes to clock.
clock switches on-- power goes to room stat and to boiler.
if boiler stat calls for heat, the boiler fires. ( you then get gravity hot water)
if room stat calls for heat the pump starts. (You then get gravity hot water and pumped heating)