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thatt sound like a lotr of faffing about i just lay them down give them a whack with the back of a spade roll it over do the same again on the other side and slide it of with the spade usually comes of in about four bitsHas anyone here used the amazing tip to get rid of foam off of hot water cylinders? Cap off all but one connection to the cylinder. Get a wet vac on the other connection and watch the cylinder start to implode and the foam all fall off