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happyflyer
Great idea, just not cost effective unless new build.
Me no understand Leo please explain????:thinking:
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Great idea, just not cost effective unless new build.
Cost of new install in existing house : circa £4000
cost of new instal in existing house (zoned) : circa £4600
customer " I'll take option one please"
Insulate, Insulate, Insulate......
Try this for size Leo, gas saved in first year £600, your move!!!
Your having a laugh, gas saved first year £80 max. Third year synchron motor fails. Costs £95 to repair. Your move. Oh and my combined gas and lecky bil isl £1200 with a standard efficiency boiler. So how your going to save £600 is beyond me.
Leo,
Does your mam pay the gas bill at your house, I live under a stone and it cost me more than £600 a year for gas
Zoning is pointless in yer average 2 up 2 down.
Please explain the estimated savings happy flyer, how have you come to this figure?
Not really, but I base my opinions on fact not a figure plucked out of the sky.
£600 equates to over 13,000 kwh's of gas at 4.5p/kwh. Based on Ofgems estimations, the average house uses between 16,000-20,000 kwh annually for space heating AND hot water, I find your estimation a touch on the optimistic side?
Not really, but I base my opinions on fact not a figure plucked out of the sky.
£600 equates to over 13,000 kwh's of gas at 4.5p/kwh. Based on Ofgems estimations, the average house uses between 16,000-20,000 kwh annually for space heating AND hot water, I find your estimation a touch on the optimistic side?
And only works if doors are kept shut
My hoose is zoned and communal areas do get bit warm if all zones are on and all doors open but then upper floors just don't come on.
£150 is still a bit optimistic if you ask me. Using the highest average figure of 20,000kwh - 4000kwh for hot water allowance so 16,000kwh. A 10% saving say for zoning would be a fair guess I would say? So 1600kwh annually x 0.045 = £72
So, the customer pays £1000 for zoning the payback (without any allowance for price increase) is approx 13.5 years.
Not really happy flyer, just because I don't agree with your wildly optimistic figures doesn't mean I'm a closed book. In fact quite the opposite. How though, do you expect to give your customers honest and accurate advice if the figures don't stack up? Do you expect them (or us) to believe you just because you said so? That's not how I operate, rather I like to give them some solid figures to dwell on and decide whether its want they want or not.
Simple zoning doesn't work for other reasons, for example zoning bedrooms independently to living space is fine until you have children that go to bed at 6-7-8pm. Most wouldn't put the kids to bed in a cold room to save a few quid, you might?
complicated zoning costs a fortune and I still don't see the benefits as a retro fit with un insulated intermediate floors, losing heat from downstairs to upstairs, educating the customers to close all the doors etc most don't even turn the lights off when they leave a room!
Ermi,
I know me and you don't always see things eye to eye but you must be the next only person of this forum who understands that whole house zoning really works, it is refreshing to
see you taking the initiative to zone your house I know they are not all time zone and temp, but it would not take much to do it.
Good luck with your lower than average running costs Ermi
Tony
All my zones are time and temp with Myson mprtrf controllers in almost every room. Downstairs loo is on same ufh as kitchen tho. It's expensive to do £300 per room ish excluding labour
Now you have done it in Ermi these guys will believe you rather than me but £300 a zone, never, I wouldn't like you to come and work for me, your lunch breaks are longer than the working day, I suppose you are good, but not fast yet, that will come with practice, still keep plunging at the energy conservation, its only energy conversation on here.
Now I am being bullied and I have ever right to put my point across as forcefully as you and you accept mine point of view you are not on your own with your slant on
the none sensible use of a finite resource, energy.
My hoose is zoned and communal areas do get bit warm if all zones are on and all doors open but then upper floors just don't come on.
Now I am being bullied and I have ever right to put my point across as forcefully as you and you accept mine point of view you are not on your own with your slant on
the none sensible use of a finite resource, energy.
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