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What is the average hourly rate now for plumbers? Am i being Ripped off on £12 an hour?? time and a half on all call outs too, i thought it was good until i got chatting to some plumbers for other firms in the local plumb centre!
 
In my area, the average wage for a plumber seems to be £20-£25 per hour (not gas reg).

But we are in difficult times so there are those that have dropped there rate to get the work.
 
I assume you are talking about working PAYE and the last post is referring to self employed. I charge a plumber out at £35/ hour ex vat and pay £15 plus bonuses on a quarterly basis. Last bonus was £750.
 
any jobs going??? lol!

I wouldn't work for £12 a hour. That's almost an insult. I can't believe things have got so bad. It's worrying.

We all know the market is not saturated. I can't see how these colleges keep training guys up on the false hope they'll all get rich plumbing. Its a joke.

One of my best friends just jacked in his well paid city job to go to the local plumbing college. I told him he's crazy, but he insists it will be a better life on the tools.
 
I think 12 an hour regular job good deal all things considered im self employed 15 to 20 an hour find my own work paper work tax insurance training costs CUSTOMERSSSS DAMN THEM and such...gimme your job! lol
 
Here are the official graded rates of pay for plumbers.
For England/Wales
http://www.unitetheunion.com/pdf/20090807153336419.pdf
Scotland /NI
http://www.snijib.org/documents/REFERENCE2010-1noticeofpromulgation-wageagreementfebfin_000.pdf
The Scottish one is a bit more in depth.

Anything above is up to the employer.

Every employee (no matter what job you are in), thinks they should be paid more and every customer wants things done cheaper :confused:
The boom times are gone and will not return for a lo.........ng time. With prices falling and the whole industry being squeezed, unless labour costs are controlled your employer will have less work, no profits and go down the tubes and you will have no job. Such is the price we have to pay for the market being flooded with cc's and ccc's who think the plumbing game is the road to riches it never was.

Danny saying you wouldn't work for £12/hr is a bit silly. There are 1000's of time served guys out there with lots of experience who would snap the hand off you for £12/hr. Maybe it is not what they were on a year or so back but it is better than £63/wk dole money + the odd homer.
Btw your mate will be back to his city job a few grand lighter and a bit wiser in a year or so but should be able to change his own tap washers.
 
£12 an hour would be fine with me. I always laugh at some people who claim they're on brilliant wages, obviously some people do get paid well but many talk a load of ****e when talking about hourly rates.
My apprentice had mates in college, they we're on £25 an hour, of course they are mate I told him. but your still on £5, wake up and smell the coffee, I wasn't born yesterday.
 
I pay the bloke who cuts my grass and hedges £15 per hour. (cash in hand).

I'm not dreaming, I'm not full of ****.

I would not work for £12 per hour. I have to pay insurance, course fees, tool depreciation, advertising and tax. As well as registration fees with various bodies.

I would not work for £12 per hour. It's an insult. My mrs is a nanny, and baby sitters earn £10 an hour. That's 18 year old kids.

This is crazy.
 
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I pay the bloke who cuts my grass and hedges £15 per hour. (cash in hand).

I'm not dreaming, I'm not full of ****.

I would not work for £12 per hour. I have to pay insurance, course fees, tool depreciation, advertising and tax. As well as registration fees with various bodies.

I would not work for £12 per hour. It's an insult. My mrs is a nanny, and baby sitters earn £10 an hour. That's 18 year old kids.

This is crazy.


I know what you mean though £12 an hour is paye so it works out at £480 , which is'nt too bad considerring the times we are in and no risk involved , no over heads etc!
 
Come on Tamz get real !


The city guy wont be able to change his tap washers , the colleges dont teach that :)
 
Obviously if you are SE your rate will be more, whatever you like. I am talking about books in guys. Turn up at their work, do the job and go home. Only expense is the petrol money to get there.
I doubt you would pay the bloke cutting the grass £15/hr if he was there all week, every week.
 
My point is, that he earns £15 per hour, and yet all he has to do is push a lawn mower around.

We have a physical job, which needs lots of skill and knowledge. We are all cutting each others throats.

You're right about the colleges. They are terrible. They seem too hung up on health and safety, and paper work.

You're not going to get rich in this job, but you should be able to earn a good living. I guess £500 a week without any hassles is pretty good. As you say, it's different for me as I'm SE.
 
£12 is not on, 14/15 is about right.

My mates mrs is a teaching student, she works in a call centre for nhs 24 as her part time gettin by at uni job, being paid £10 an hr.

This puts £12 per hr into perspective
 
Plumbing, as with any other trade, has never, and will never, be a top paid job. Always has been around average earnings.
Peoples heads have been filled with misconceptions of what can be made. Take a look at the previous links i posted. These are the official plumbers rates for PAYE employees. No matter what you think is a good rate there are 1000,'s of tradesmen working for that and many who don't even get that. There are some i know who have left the trade to work in factories, call centres and the like because the money is better and it is not so hard on the body.
There needs to be a reality check from some.
 
Plumbing, as with any other trade, has never, and will never, be a top paid job. Always has been around average earnings.
Peoples heads have been filled with misconceptions of what can be made. Take a look at the previous links i posted. These are the official plumbers rates for PAYE employees. No matter what you think is a good rate there are 1000,'s of tradesmen working for that and many who don't even get that. There are some i know who have left the trade to work in factories, call centres and the like because the money is better and it is not so hard on the body.
There needs to be a reality check from some.

I knew a guy who was fully qualified and time served he worked in a factory for 10 an hour he said he would be stupid to go back to plumbing.

(his job was well cushy lol)
 
It seems that it depends on which part of the country you live in too, maybe i should ask for a pay rise then going off the replys i'm reading! lol
 
12 an hour working on the books is good, fully maintained van, fuel card, accounts you dont have to pay at the end of the months, 2 weeks at xmas, 1 week easter, 2 weeks holiday when you want, all bank holidays etc, do a little overtime and maybe a bit of bonus and you can earn half decent money, dont knock it.
 
When put that I suppose so.

I wonder what the customer gets charged per hour...as they have to pay for all that and also the profit the firm wants to make on top?
 
thats why the bigger companies charge 50-60 an hour they give the plumber 12 and use the other 50 to pay for van etc and profit
think about mechanics 10-15 an hour and garages are chaging what 100.00 plus vat aty most dealers and some a lot more
 
When put that I suppose so.

I wonder what the customer gets charged per hour...as they have to pay for all that and also the profit the firm wants to make on top?

After reading the thread I now feel the need to put in my 10pence worth... At the end of the day are you a plumber or a plumbing & heating engineer? I can understand those on paye at £12 plus an hour for just plumbing jobs but if like me your self employed and cover heating / boilers as well then its a different matter. I specialise in Oil and the amount of £55 or less! oil boiler services that I've seen makes a grown man cry to see how bad they are! and the customer gets confused when I come in and I start having to tell them what hasn't been done and why there fuel bills gone up etc etc all because some one that's not really qualified to do the job or wants to get in and out in 30 mins to get onto the next job so they have half a chance to make a few quid (just) then supprisingly won't come back to solve a problem or actually don't know how to solve a problem (even there own). Thats why I charge way past £12 and my customers always come back to me and recomend me.

P.S. the standard charge out rate around here is £36 per hour and "reall" services start from £85.

P.S.S. Sorry was I ranting a tad....:D
 
Hmm!

Seems to me many do not seem to understand that there is no fixed pay rate for any job in the UK except, for an adult its not got to be below the national minimum wage.

I have seen Plumbing jobs advertised in the paper as "Paying above national minimum wage!" which can mean £5.81 per hour. Supply your own tools and transport.

The £12 an hour that Tamz quotes is correct, but and its a big but.

That is a union or JIB rate and only really applies if your a graded Plumber or member of a union. And then it is only if your employer is in the JIB or recognises unions and probably many small ones don't.

So you get what you can get.

In my area JIB companies have been scarce for years. I worked as a JIB Advanced and then Technical grade Plumber. The problem was there was never any opportunity to get work at the Technical grade pay rate.

Simply because, in say a company employing 50 Plumbers you may have only one or two Technical Plumbers, that basically meant getting a job as a Tech was difficult. And most of the Techs had usually been with their companies for years.

The available work was mostly Advanced grade, a grade which included supervisory positions if asked, in other words you could be asked to be a foreman without a raise in grade.

I did however work as a Technical manager working operative, for a small company but never got the JIB pay rates. Being fair though, they did pay what they could afford, it was a decent company and the work was steady.

Incidentally, when you work for JIB companies you usually get a fixed Allowance depending on the miles away from home you work. Its not very much as it may involve you travelling for hours just to get to work. You also have to keep your car on the road, although officially you are not required to have a car.
The travel costs are also worked out from the cheapest possible fares including day saver tickets to where ever you are asked to go. Some companies give you a free van, which you pay tax for if you take it home. Some give you a van but charge you for it.

You supply your own tools and get an allowance for sharpening them. They are insured only if taken from a locked box in a locked site box in a locked room.
Then it is only certain tools you can claim for.

Some companies pay bonus.

In my experience most bonuses are virtually unobtainable by the way, working normally.

Training costs, well they can differ, some companies will pay, but have conditions that you pay it all back if they sack you or you leave within 12 months and then it reduces by half for the next 12 months. Some probably expect you to pay for your time off attending courses yourself.

Some employers expect you to bill the customer, some invoice them. I have worked for a company in the past where I have been paid perhaps £5.20 per hour and been required to ask the customer for £22. That is 300% over cost of wages.

On insurance work the companies hourly rate can be as high as £60 ph you may get £7.50p

Some say an employer should not get more out of the job than the employee who does the job.

Lots of paperwork involved as any company can't really keep track of spending without it.

So its quite expensive being even an employed Plumber.

Have a look at the JIB website and read it for yourself. It is most definitely not a well paid job. And the idea that employers are the only ones who work hard for companies seems to be a myth. Don't forget its as much in an employees interests that the company does well as it is the employers.

I was often working until midnight on paperwork and plans all unpaid. It was a case of pulling together to keep working.

The problem now seems to be perhaps that employers are taking to much profit and their running costs are to high.
I know they have running costs, but they usually get good wages and profits as well.

And let's not forget its the customer that pays it all. So they are entitled to a fair deal.

Its more a case of what is a fair amount for an employer?

The UK has just called all their contractors in and told them to cut their profits on government jobs.
 
note to self.............gonna have to get a bigger monitor to read bernies posts.lol.
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Hi! Redsaw34

Well they do ask questions that require long answers at times :) :)
 
I pay the bloke who cuts my grass and hedges £15 per hour. (cash in hand).

I'm not dreaming, I'm not full of ****.

I would not work for £12 per hour. I have to pay insurance, course fees, tool depreciation, advertising and tax. As well as registration fees with various bodies.

I would not work for £12 per hour. It's an insult. My mrs is a nanny, and baby sitters earn £10 an hour. That's 18 year old kids.

This is crazy.


i pay the guy who washes my wheely bin £1.50 for about 3mins work that is equal to £30ph but isnt a good comparison, we need not get to rude about plumbers wages, the union rate is about £12ph books in, so that is the rate it is deemed enough to pay a plumber, talk of £20-25 is for self employed and not relevant, as the real earning of many SE people is less than £10ph by the time they do all the unpaid work and pay their expenses. £12ph books in with a fully fueled van mobile phone, 40hrs money for whatever work they actually get done 6 weeks holiday plus public holidays starts to look like a good deal for a lot of SE people

When put that I suppose so.

I wonder what the customer gets charged per hour...as they have to pay for all that and also the profit the firm wants to make on top?

the big firm i used to work for paid £12-14 ph and said they needed to charge at least £27-28ph to cover their base line costs (van hol pay pension, sick pay allance etc) anything over was profit, but it was based on large turn over of hours
 
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It does seem having to add on at least 100% over base line costs is a bit high.

In effect are they being as efficient as they might be in keeping these costs down?

Its only to expected I suppose, that if companies are making say 10% profit over base cost all the time, then they are not going to be too worried over running costs if all they have to do is pass any increases on to the customer.

It just means they still keep their 10%.

In my experience though you never find out how much a company makes or how they work out how much they make, they are usually very secretive about these things.

And lets be frank, you could charge the company a £1 million a year for your wages declaring them as running costs and not profit.

And a good accountant could get your tax bill down to virtually copper's.

Always surprises me, that it seems those that pay the least to the state taxes seem to moan the most about those who are supported by the state.

A boss I worked for was offered £60ph for insurance work. But what if the insurance company had stuck out for £30ph, still good money at the time?

The customer however, who paid £60ph out of his cover would not get much value for say £6,000 cover if it was taken out at £60ph. If they where charged at £30ph the same cover would give double the value.

Any right thinking person who worked out what they got for their money would go to the cheap insurance company right away.

The same applies to Plumbing companies.

The problem I think, is that perhaps many Plumbing companies are run by Plumbers, not business or marketing men, so its still very much a "What is the most I can get for this, industry!"

The customer is then left to accept or reject what is on offer.
Except for the likes of gas fitting where the market is biased toward the Gas Safe contractor.
The problem is controlling prices in a closed market is often a case of eventually the government stepping in to regulate it in some way or other. I suppose flooding the market with gas fitters is one way to bring prices down.

And lets be frank, isn't, according to the mails that happening now?
 
I dont know what to say to this, some claiming they wouldnt work for £12 per hour !! i wish i was on that and no im not a plumber. Is £12 per hour what you are reffering to when people say there is no money in plumbing anymore ? £12 per hour in a 40hr week is 23k before tax, that is a good wage !! i would be happy with it anyway !
 
note to self version 2.............., never employ bernie as he chats to much, great in the pub not on the site lol
 
HEATING ENGINEER


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Job No:

HER/17503

Wage

£18,720 PER ANNUM

Hours

40 PER WEEK MONDAY TO FRIDAY BETWEEN 7.30AM-5.30PM

Location

GLOUCESTER, BRISTOL & SWINDON HR4

Duration

Temporary

Date posted

08 July 2010

Pension details

Pension available



Description

Temporary position for 3 initially but may become permanent for the right applicant. Must be gas safe registered. Must have a full drivers licence. Company vehicle is provided. Must have experience in installing products. Part B electronically certified would be advantage. Must be willing to travel and some overnight stays may be required. Duties will be. installing heating products and servicing equipment. You can send a CV to: [email protected]

almost laughable
 
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