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Okay, my fault, but I'm fitting a combi boiler in a renovation property & noticed today the new owners have a pre payment card meter! ... No card!!!


Is there a way to get it to give me gas for my commissioning etc? Or can I buy a pre payment card?


An alternative, can I make a meter bypass for this purpose? I see them on eBay, but will a regular merchant hold bits to make such a connector!


Its all temporary just so I can test & tightness etc, the customer has contacted gas supplier for new meter, but that could take weeks!


thanks for any advice!
 
Have had similar before and we had to wait for a replacement key for meter. I must say i dont know about the bypass dosnt sound very legal to me and can you commission with out gas rating? I would look at getting some credit sorted some how,or maybe a call to transco for replacement meter? Akward one i admit
 
Have had similar before and we had to wait for a replacement key for meter. I must say i dont know about the bypass dosnt sound very legal to me and can you commission with out gas rating? I would look at getting some credit sorted some how,or maybe a call to transco for replacement meter? Akward one i admit

Ahh, two threads... My mistake :(

I know I will have to re attend to commission etc, its just something to get it going!
 
Can't be legal to install a meter bypass. I think those bypass's also bypass the regulator too. Very dodgey!
 
Sorry mate, can't give advice like that on here. Sure you'll understand. You can always try a PM to one of the gas boys if you are desperate.
 
No it fit in place of the meter! Not bypass the regulator... I will just wait till a new meter is fitted!
 
thought this forum was for the guys who should know about things from others?

buy one from here, charge it to the job!!.
GAS METERS - ELECTRONIC & TURBINE

dont think theres a law on gas for commissioning? when you have finished take it off, cap the supply then charge a call back to re-commission. or just wait.
 
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If your that desperate, use your own house meter.

You'll be paying for that gas anyway, right?
 
Should be able to get a replacement card from any pay point shop?!

you would think that we could all get an access account key with some credit on?
think these are registered to the addy and gas meter?
 
cant really commission correctly without the meter can you? gas rate? meter pressure drop? best solution is to get the gas on tbh. a bypass would aid you in testing while your there but you could not leave it in position and you cant leave an uncommissioned appliance connected to the supply.

a can of worm.

ps. bes is the best place to get the fittings to make a bypass ;) if you wanted to make on for art reasons!
 
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Their is alot of dodgy things that unregistered installers get away with but they would prob bang you up in the blink of an eye for this! Or it could just be me being miserable lol
 
Thanks for the help guys, I don't have a gas meter at home or I would take it!

Never met a prepayment meter before so did not know you can get replacement cards either!
 
well if your a law abiding citizen you ****ed....... an unregister'd installer would cost more to take to court.
 
Also cannot believe a gsr is asking this

After typing in meter bypass on eBay there is pages of different bypass devices, I have heard different guys on here before having spare meters on the van, so I was just wondering what other guys do in this situation!

I guess no one has a meter bypass jig obviously!
 
I don't have a bypass jig, but don't deal with many prepay meters. Yes, it is a right pain in the neck, I can see why you asked. Even if it is a no, no.
 
Also cannot believe a gsr is asking this

that's exactly the point.

this is why this private forum is here to discuss possibilities and cross knowledge by giving the best advice.

whether you have the incline to do 'what is possible' thats another matter for the individual to decide.

right or wrong is not the point! it is nothing different in a colleague asking you at work tomorrow, you would not just blank them, you would share your thoughts and concerns.
 
you would think that we could all get an access account key with some credit on?
think these are registered to the addy and gas meter?

Go to any pay point, get a new card, stick it in the meter for 60 seconds (this registers it tithe meter) then you can top up credit.

If the meter displays call help or the above doesn't work then call the supplier and report an off supply and they'll come and sort it for you.
 
so how are you going to rate your boiler with no meter, just air test your pipework and go back when they have a card to commission it
 
Borrow your meter from home if you really want to commission. At least then you can say you've paid for the gas yourself.
 
Go to any pay point, get a new card, stick it in the meter for 60 seconds (this registers it tithe meter) then you can top up credit.

If the meter displays call help or the above doesn't work then call the supplier and report an off supply and they'll come and sort it for you.

Didn't know you could do this, always thought you had to get one sent in post from a supplier. I take it the existing card will no longer work?
 
Okay, so after looking on British gas website it says I can ask shopkeeper for replacement card! Then put in meter for 1 minute to activate, would this work for my meter, as I don't know who the previous supplier was?
 
its not your problem, treat it like a new build,boiler on wall and back you go when a supplier puts in a meter and back you go to connect it and test your system. then you give them a bill
 
I appreciate some guys don't like my question! But It's purely to test the boiler etc, I would not leave in place, or commission the boiler with it in place!

But, being self employed, I don't want to wait 6 weeks for the new gas suppliers next available slot to fit a working meter!

Its a bad job if guys can't ask questions on here without the fear of being shot down!
 
might not be a bad thing going back.
last one i had to return to commission because of no meter or gas, i charged £120
 
that's exactly the point.

this is why this private forum is here to discuss possibilities and cross knowledge by giving the best advice.

whether you have the incline to do 'what is possible' thats another matter for the individual to decide.

right or wrong is not the point! it is nothing different in a colleague asking you at work tomorrow, you would not just blank them, you would share your thoughts and concerns.
That they don't know about bypassing meter etc when they are gsr ? Doesn't take much to be one
 
I wouldn't want to belittle the bloke and suggest that he doesn't realise that would be theft but he has got him self in a bit of a spot by the sounds of it.
 
It's a bit harsh to jump on the guy for asking a question. I would just look at buying a meter to keep as a spare if I were you. I think BES sell them.
 
forgive me but arent these nice card meters tamper proof, ie dont go moving them around or when the custard gets their card the meter will be useless till the supplier pops out to reset it, and your name will be mud.
 
forgive me but arent these nice card meters tamper proof, ie dont go moving them around or when the custard gets their card the meter will be useless till the supplier pops out to reset it, and your name will be mud.

Good point.

I would be a bit concerned that if my customer can't afford gas, then my bill may go unpaid! Or is this mainly HA work?
 
You've had some answers, right or wrong make your own decision or send the householder up to the shop for a tenner card.
If it is housing association stuff don't be stupid.
Get some arrangement made with whoever you are working for a price to cover your aborted calls because you will get plenty of that.
 
forgive me but arent these nice card meters tamper proof, ie dont go moving them around or when the custard gets their card the meter will be useless till the supplier pops out to reset it, and your name will be mud.

They've changed them now so that they don't trip out so easily, if at all. Too many call outs to reset them before.
 
forgive me but arent these nice card meters tamper proof, ie dont go moving them around or when the custard gets their card the meter will be useless till the supplier pops out to reset it, and your name will be mud.
To my knowledge at least if these are getting used to recover a debt then they get put in a special mode where you rather would lock them. You could get yourself a bit in trouble playing about with it as you seem not to know the history and the setting of the meter.

If it is a HA the responsible agent/manager usually comes forward quickly with a solution to prevent further costs.

As for the theft thingy, once caught they usually assume you have used it since the last check/meter reading by themselves and average the usage.
It is your part to proof different then. You could try by videoing during the time of bypassing as a preventive measurement. Still would get charged as theft but the claim for the stolen gas could get reduced.
Dunno how easy Gas Safe does take that then? Worth trying?

Word of mouth can be brilliant but if your customer spreads word of this it could as well go wrong.

Add on: Not so funny episode to think about, a company in my area had installed a few months ago a new gas appliance. Now there was an accident. From rumours totally unrelated to the new installation. But. That still means that now even the new installation got checked by inspectors, any potential flaws would be reported to Gas Safe. And likely lead to increased check ups/reports.

You never know before. Cutting corners can become quite costly in the aftermath. At least this company has spent many unpaid man hours on answering questions and hunting paperwork to proof their procedures.

This is no assumption that faults have been found on the new installation. Just a hint how tricky things can be.
 
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If there is a known occupant/buyer/tenant for the property then they need to contact the supplier and either arrange a prepayment to credit meter swap or obtain a gascard and put credit on the meter.

Other than that ,you could leave new boiler disconnected ,label it as requiring commissioning and come back when the gas is on

The bypasses sold on ebay are being manufactured for the nefarious purpose of encouraging people to steal gas. They are not bona fide pieces of equipment.

Abstraction of gas other than via a meter is theft of gas.
 
all yer have to do is ring up trasco, tell them that you have only just moved into house and have not gas for hw/heating and that you have children. They will be out in a few hours and give you £5 free
 
"transco" dont respond to calls to meters. Meters belong to meter asset managers and calls for meterwork must be routed through the gas supplier. "transco" front end only responds directly to gas emergency calls.
 
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