is time served the same as an apprenticeship

[fuzzy]

Yes thought it was a waste of time to be honest and that's how they do it at our local college only one they do online is the last one

well thats out of date, im not even sure they can do that anymore, are you sure they still do it that way?

my tutor friend, Tony S, said he got lots of complaints from a group once, they said the previous tutor was a waste of time and taught them nothing, not sure what the subject was but say it was cold water, he started to ask them cold water questions and they answered them all, they were happy and smug as they did so, upon completion he said " so he taught you nothing did he?".

I think we tend to look back and think that at times, im sure we learn all the time without knowing it, imagine your own days at work, you are always gaining from every job. Now I agree there are good and bad teachers, there was at school, theres good and bad plumbers, but lets not take one experience and say its common across the whole plumbing sector.

Consider this, you came through the educational system and you are working as a successful plumber, that has to be regarded as a success

 

[Gray0689]

well thats out of date, im not even sure they can do that anymore, are you sure they still do it that way?

my tutor friend, Tony S, said he got lots of complaints from a group once, they said the previous tutor was a waste of time and taught them nothing, not sure what the subject was but say it was cold water, he started to ask them cold water questions and they answered them all, they were happy and smug as they did so, upon completion he said " so he taught you nothing did he?". I think we tend to look back and think that at times, im sure we learn all the time without knowing it, imagine your own days at work, you are always gaining from every job. now i agree there are good and bad teachers, there was at school, theres good and bad plumbers, but lets not take one experience and say its common across the board

I'm only saying it's common in my area can't comment on other areas
But I see I'm not alone in these comments
Tamz sees it as a problem also and I'm sure there will be others also
IMHO
Colleges are passing peaple couse they get funding and questions are asked if these peaple don't pass I have never heard of anyone over here failing if they are still there till the end your level 3 might be different if you do gas we don't

 

[fuzzy]

sorry, edited my thread as you were posting so reads a little different. Im not so sure Tamz sees it as negatively as you do, maybe he does. But lets keep a steady head, 2 people on a forum say they dont rate the current system (that is changing as said before) and you have made an assumption that there are more, that cannot be held as a majority view for the British educational system.

remember, if you are now successful, the system hasnt failed you

 

[Gray0689]

I never said the system failed me lol bit ott
Just didn't learn a lot think the college bit could be condensed down a lot in time wise and a lot more put on site work with a lot more site visits

 

[fuzzy]

college is one day a week, the other 4 are on site, that 1/5th of the training at best considering there are only about 36 school weeks a year, so the majority of the training is already done onsite.
is more site visits the answer? if you dont respect the college tutors why would you want them to come to site and visit you and how would this improve the education?
I know you never said the system failed you, but you have been very very negative about education and NVQs, my point is, if its so bad people would not have become a success under that system

 

[Gray0689]

Right I said nvq when did I mention education in a hole?
Over here it is 2 days a week for 2 years then 1 day after that
If not in full time work it is 3 days for first 2 years
You have your opinion I have mine everyone I know in plumbing over here thinks the system needs changing and as you have said it's changing let's hope this helps

 

[GQuigley67]

here its a week in college every 3rd week for 3 years in the normal school hours and holidays, rest is on site

 

[tamz]

I am probably more against the modern way of teaching with continual assessment than colleges per se. It may have some advantages but it certainly does not encourage study.
But, it is also down to the quality of the teachers. If the teachers are bad at getting their point across everyone will struggle to understand but the students will nonetheless still pass because of the way the system is set up. No one fails anything in this word anymore incase it gives them a useless b complex.

Summit skills had a consultation with employers last year where we were asked what, in our opinion, should be included or dropped from the syllabus. There have been a few changes implemented with renewables etc being included but as far as i'm aware leadwork will still be in there to some extent due to the request of the majority of employers.

 

[fuzzy]

no lead in main qual tamz, it is an optional unit though

renewables is also only an option at l3, you choose that wet gas, oil or warm air gas. i suspect there is some basic content built in though

QCF will only take assessment further away from end tests as they MUST be unitised. It allows people to do one unit a year if they prefer and still succeed at the end. people can pick one unit they fancy from another trade and so on, in theory that is

its impossible to fail an NVQ, if you do it wrong you just haven't met that criteria yet. therefore in theory its impossible to fail, you just haven't passed yet

 

[fuzzy]

here its a week in college every 3rd week for 3 years in the normal school hours and holidays, rest is on site

prob works out about the same