is time served the same as an apprenticeship

[fuzzy]

Yes nvq3
Not lazy good lads
I have seen complete numptys pass nvq3 could not join there hands together if they stay till end they WILL pass
Fuzzy I'm guessing your an instructor??

Not lazy - i'm glad for you, im sorry the college is letting them down
Numptys pass nvq3 - if i did i would report the centre/college
guessing - im not an instructor, but i have done lots of courses and worked with trainees, i welcome people training and feel some people dont give it the credit it deserves, as i say, im sorry is not your experience

 

[tamz]

many smaller assessments throughout the year is easier to achieve imo.

Maybe here lies the biggest problem.

Today lads we are doing water supplies to multistory buildings. Here is a drawing of how the place is piped. That valve does that, the pumps are for that, they stick a tank in here and there and that pipe is empty unless the place is on fire. You won't need to know too much more about this because you will probably never see one. If you do your book will be lying up in yer mams loft nice and handy. All clear on this? Right we'll have a wee test then go for a ***. Of course you can read your book. That is where the answers are!

Quality teaching the modern way! (slightly exageratd lol)

The trade tests up here are practical tests. eg a joiner will have to build a small hipped roof or something similar and are marked on the practical skills. Thes marks can have a big influence on their employment especially with bigger firms. They do the same modules as everyone else for theory.

 

[Gray0689]

I'm not knocking training at all done loads of realy good courses and learnt a lot
But the plumbing nvqs are not teaching what is needed in plumbing in my eyes
As for today's plumbing being more technical in some aspects it is but I see a lot going back to more wood burning stoves log burners teed in to heating but then incorperating underfloor systems solar ect so a little different but still simple enough
I think the hole industry is in a real mess at this present time

 

[fuzzy]

i hear you tamz and theres alot to be said for end assessments but theres alot to be said for unit assessment also. modern teaching prefers continually assessment allowing the candidate to receive continual feedback. No point leaving it until the end of 2 years to find out youve been doing it wrong! Many people respect the ACS but that is open book? Not all plumbing assessments are, in fact currently only 1 of the 20 are

 

[fuzzy]

I'm not knocking training at all done loads of realy good courses and learnt a lot
But the plumbing nvqs are not teaching what is needed in plumbing in my eyes
As for today's plumbing being more technical in some aspects it is but I see a lot going back to more wood burning stoves log burners teed in to heating but then incorperating underfloor systems solar ect so a little different but still simple enough
I think the hole industry is in a real mess at this present time

i think there are issues with the trade but i think youre remark that it is in a real mess is a bit extreem.
You do know the current NVQ's are finishing and being replaced by a diploma
i presume you did the C&G's advanced qualification and not the nvq3?

 

[Gray0689]

In my local college they go over the exam before it's taken then if they get less than 80% have to do again then they fo it verbal till passed and that goes on till the end

 

[Gray0689]

I did nvq3 why

 

[fuzzy]

In my local college they go over the exam before it's taken then if they get less than 80% have to do again then they fo it verbal till passed and that goes on till the end

that was the old system, they needed to get at least 70% to get a second chance, if they didnt it was a fail. all exams are now online and cannot have a 2nd chance. its also impossible to go over the paper as theres a bank of questions and they dont know which questions they will get

a friend i used to work with went tutoring about 5 years ago (against our advice lol), maybe more, he tells me how good the nvqs are, i think the old ones gave it a bad name

 

[fuzzy]

I did nvq3 why

so did you have a low opinion of your own nvq3? there have been 3 of them, do you know which yours was?

 

[Gray0689]

Yes thought it was a waste of time to be honest and that's how they do it at our local college only one they do online is the last one