Flue terminal positions close to windows - changed?

[Marco]

Hi
We all know terminal must be 300mm from an opening window - but am I dreaming or has the rule changed now for distance from non opening windows? Seem to remember seeing somewhere that it now based on distance from a change in structure eg from edge of where brick changes to window frame?

Mi's only showing 300mm from opening window. Had a look on GSR at TB's but can't see anything.

Just pricing up a combi swop, terminal currently 200mm from non opening window, BG has told customer it is too close. So not sure if will need a plume management kit?

cheers

Mark

 

[lame plumber]

What if next time you service a boiler and the customer likes what he sees inside. A more rugged engineered look and likes to see the nice blue flames so takes the covers off it just as he watched you do 30 minutes before.
Put things in perspective.
Life is full of what ifs.

Bit off the mark here as the guy in Newquay from what I read in the local rags had seen a vent window had been screwed down and hinges removed, ie turned into a fixed window which was then reassembled by a new owner and left as an open vent, and problems then occurred. All I was saying, if you install something that cant ever be changed easily then you cant go wrong, ie dont rely on a semi permanent fix to solve a problem of flue position.

I know the scots like to get every bit of heat they can for their money, so I can only assume they are daft enough to go for the rugged engineered look!

 

[Mike Jackson]

I'm sorry I didn't realise that Lame plumbers advice over ruled the Manufacturers instructions. I shall go round and reroute all of the flues that I have fitted with Plume kits following the manufacturers instructions. Do you think I can claim the expense back from the manufacturer as it was their instructions that caused me to disregard lame plumbers advice?

 

[neily01]

The reason for which (from a building point of view) is the lintel is bearing on that 6" of brickwork.

Like tamz says 150mm from window but this is for structual reasons. Plume kits a bit of a funny area they will allow in certain instances to reduce flueing distances but it is really a method of redirecting nuisance pluming.

 

[AWheating]

any window fitter, builder, home owner that fits a new window or vent or creates an opening that changes the clearences on an appliances flue must work to the gas/building regs. If they dont know the requirements thats not a excuse in the eyes of the law.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Best stop fitting boilers then. What happens if your customers sells up and the new owner decides to build a conservatory over the flue, cut an opening in next to the flue etc. As long as an appliance is installed to the MIs or regulations you will be covered. You have no control over what someone does after you have left the premises.

You say that about a flue in the conservatory but i actually went for a boiler service where they sked me if its ok to build a conservatory where the flue would actually be terminating in the conservatory!!!

Actually asked if he was serious and his reply was well i thought it wouldnt matter as we would only use it in hte summer and the boiler would mainly be used in the winter lol


some people

 

[lame plumber]

I'm sorry I didn't realise that Lame plumbers advice over ruled the Manufacturers instructions. I shall go round and reroute all of the flues that I have fitted with Plume kits following the manufacturers instructions. Do you think I can claim the expense back from the manufacturer as it was their instructions that caused me to disregard lame plumbers advice?

bit a a lame comment and its only an opinion I have, in order to cover my as in the future, but for all of you out there who want a definative answer heres one fm wb Greenstar 24i junior Plume management terminal positioning - Worcester, Bosch Group UK installer site trying to be helpful as ever rather than sarcastic

 

[AlexGas]

Put the kit in, it won't brake the bank and you will sleep much better!

 

[Reg Man]

I was led to believe plume management kits were not an excuse for incorrect terminal positions, but to reduce nuisance from plumming?

 

[vern]

I was led to believe plume management kits were not an excuse for incorrect terminal positions, but to reduce nuisance from plumming?

WB Mi's allow 150 mm with plume kit, had gasafe inspection on this very issue, I pointed to Mi's passed him to WB tech line, who backed me to the hilt......he backed down!

What if?....what if? A customer slackens a gas test point, removes a flue sampling point and accuses you after service / installation etc, to get his bill written off or reduced? Seen it all...... follow MI's do everything else right inc PAPERWORK and any sane judge will back you end of! By the way speaking from experience in previous management roles, not Internet hearsay!

 

[dancinplumba]

will have to start taking pics with date for everything we do

 

[vern]

will have to start taking pics with date for everything we do

Steve I would'nt bother, our jobs hard enough as it is! Just do what you do without complacency and you will be fine pal!

 

[lame plumber]

I've yet to meet a sane judge, some of the rulings they come out with beggar belief, you cant trust the uk law to back you up, take a look at the poor sgt jailed for having a pistol in his belongings, he didnt pack it in a box to be sent to him in the uk, it was never unpacked and he cops 18 months before appeal, and thats from one of our sane judges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lame plumber]

WB Mi's allow 150 mm with plume kit, had gasafe inspection on this very issue, I pointed to Mi's passed him to WB tech line, who backed me to the hilt......he backed down!

What if?....what if? A customer slackens a gas test point, removes a flue sampling point and accuses you after service / installation etc, to get his bill written off or reduced? Seen it all...... follow MI's do everything else right inc PAPERWORK and any sane judge will back you end of! By the way speaking from experience in previous management roles, not Internet hearsay!

just saw all your what ifs, isnt that what risk assessment is, taking all the what ifs and devising a plan to eliminate risk, just what managers do all the time, especially in todays litigatious environment

 

[Reg Man]

WB Mi's allow 150 mm with plume kit, had gasafe inspection on this very issue, I pointed to Mi's passed him to WB tech line, who backed me to the hilt......he backed down!

What if?....what if? A customer slackens a gas test point, removes a flue sampling point and accuses you after service / installation etc, to get his bill written off or reduced? Seen it all...... follow MI's do everything else right inc PAPERWORK and any sane judge will back you end of! By the way speaking from experience in previous management roles, not Internet hearsay!

Of course the MI should be consulted and followed, they come above every thing. but the state about plume mangement kits is sound.

 

[leethegasman]

I install WB plume kits when flue is within 300mm of window and if you think of it a plume kit is to help get rid of nuisance pluming and i would say 300mm from a window in most cases would be a nuisance so can not see a problem if you are a installer who is not going take advantage of the MI then the only other way is to move boiler position or re route flue or brick up window which would poss cost more than a plume kit new to the gas safe forum hello to you all.