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I keep being told that from 2013 any new installation will not meet standards if fitted with boiler alone, it will need some sort of renewable energy to supplement it. But I cannot find any literature to support this, can anyone help please? I presume its part L but cannot find where it says what Im being told?
 
hi fuzzy,

what r you being told? is it ALL new installations or 'new builds' installations. will it still be possible to do like for like swaps on existing properties?
 
dunno mate, but let us know what you find out!
there are still plenty of instances whereby 'old' things can be replaced like for like but are outlawed on newbuilds so will be interesting to see
 
I think as of 2013 all new build properties in Wales have to be zero carbon(no use of gas or oil). England is 2016. I am unaware of any plans to bring this into the retro fit Market yet! Boilers will be still be used for many years although the controls may get more complex and allow the boilers to work more efficiently.
 
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Its another rating system which affects mainly England and Wales. Not sure how mandatory it is, only read a little bit about it. From what I can gather its trying to improve overall efficiency of new homes with targets set at specific milestones. Not sure how they're supposed to be achieved though as it seems a little adventurous to me.
 
I think as of 2013 all new build properties in Wales have to be zero carbon(no use of gas or oil). England is 2016. I am unaware of any plans to bring this into the retro fit Market yet! Boilers will be still be used for many years although the controls may get more complex and allow the boilers to work more efficiently.

do you have links to this info please, thanks fuzzy
 
In 2010 Code level 3 compliance is mandatory for public and private sector new-build residences, including flats and houses, effectively making redundant the use of code levels 1 and 2.
Currently, compliance with higher levels of the Code is voluntary, with a long-term view for step-change increases. However, landowners and agents are already selling sites with stipulations to build at a certain Code level.
The extra-over cost of building to Code Level 3 is valued between around £2000-3000, additionally the Code assessment costs around £2000 for a small project, the total cost of this is typically under 5% of a standard build.[SUP][6][/SUP]
From 1st May 2008 it would be mandatory for all new homes to have a rating against the Code when houses are sold, it is mandatory for them to have an Energy Performance Certificate. If there has not been an assessment carried out, then a zero rating is given. This provides an incentive for developers to reach a higher rating. In fact more and more companies are including the Code and BREEAM in their corporate policy.
Code levels pertaining to energy require a Dwelling Emission Rate (DER) a certain percentage higher than the Target Emission Rate (TER) as set in Part L1A of the Building Regulations. October 2010 saw Part L TER standards rise equivalent to Code level 3. Since this change Code level 4 requires 25% DER improvement over Part L1A TER standards and code level 6 is 100% improvement i.e. thermally twice as efficient. It is also anticipated that the Building Regulations as well as the minimum mandatory Code level will continue to improve until the 2016 target of 'net zero CO[SUB]2[/SUB] emissions' per annum standard.
 
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Fuzzy, the challenge to find the definitive answer to your question is just the sort of thing which interests me and I have been struggling to get my head around these changes so now seemed a good time to read up.
I am sure I must have the answer somewhere.
Conclusion I can not find the FULL answer, I do not know whether gas boilers will exist in a carbon neutral house but I think they might not. And the current target for carbon neutral new builds in England is 2016.
The general view seems to be Gas boilers will be around for decades in existing housing stock.

As I understand it the baseline for comparison is homes built to 2006 building regs standards.
By 2013 homes must produce 44% less co2 in Eng
In wales it must be 55% less and zero carbon for public sector by 2013
And new builds must produce zero carbon by 2016 in England.

But this does not necessarily mean no gas or oil, because it is calculated as net emissions.

I don't think there will be oil in new builds. WB say NEW oil boilers are likely to be around for many years to come but only as replacements for existing oil boilers.

WB seem to think heat pumps are the big thing for the future (and of course they are now promoting their ufh which goes well with heat pumps)
Where as Baxi Group seem to think it is Ecogen micro-CHP dual energy system and similar, which they are investing heavily in.

Manufacturers seem to think gas boilers will be around for a long time, I remember reading that recently in wb mag. And in 2050 75% of current housing stock will still be in use - and as you know most current homes have gch so it is likely to stay.

We have not been involved with any new biulds for a few years and things are changing fast.
 
thank you

i think heat pumps are a good source, so is solar.

gas has 60 years left, but will get so expensive well before then itll be game up sooner i feel

tbh the way forward has to be nuclear, make it safe and we cure all problems, but we will be out of work so keep it to yourself
 
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