Can you work on a boiler if your not Gas Safe?

[quality]

I do think that commercial registered folk are placed with different standards etc but they are better placed in industry than domestic registered gs chaps if they have the work.
if not pay your few hundred quid and step down the ladder

 

[GQuigley67]

no you shoulnt be working on boilers you don't even fully understand them by the sounds of it

 

[Deleted member 25704]

there are two ways to go about anything, the right way and the wrong way!

having said that i do agree that gassafe is an exploitative system, but it does gaurentee a basic level of competency.

Fair comment kay-jay, and there are few that would disagree with your statement.

But, I hope you will share in my questioning of some of your beliefs:

Right and wrong, pertains to moral law, and things are usually judged right or wrong by the consensus of the majority, in a democracy - so in order to judge right or wrong, we would have to be represented in some way, by those who make the decisions - who represents the gas installer? and do we trust them to make 'right' decisions on our behalf.

For example, licence to practice brings about better workmanship - corgi annaual report 2007, documented significant numbers of NCS, AR, and some immediately dangerous installations, on work which had been notified as 'competent' through the gas work notification scheme.

But, what about the notion of competence? can it be measured accurately using the multiple choice questions and simulated environments that are nothing like real work? Does an assessment taken in college, give an accurate measure of competence or competency in relation to the occupational role of a plumber or gas installer - would you bet your house on it?

So how can we be assured that the system is valid, reliable and rigorous? Who can assure us?

 

[GQuigley67]

only people that are allowed to work on boilers are gas engineers and now sparks as long as they are with a gas registered company with gas engineers.

 

[Macca2009]

If we [GSR engineers] don't do all the safety checks on the appliance when repairing, & an incident happens afterwards we'll be taken to task !!!
But, if you read the bulletin.......

http://www.User PlumbersForums.net ...F/Who can legally work on a gas appliance.pdf

Maybe when changing a pump...... we can wear our plumbers hat.

I think not!!

I wish Gas Safe would get these issues sorted out with the Government/Health & Safety & make it that only GSR engineers can buy gas appliances & any associated parts, & therefore be the only people to be qualified to carryout the work.

It could be so easy, use the registration number & password when purchasing at plumbers merchants, [they all use computers] Gives traceability....

Thanks for the link aggis, this is what I was after. Why do some people make such a deal. Thank you

 

[Macca2009]

Jesus I didn't think it would stir up such a debate. For all you lot that are just having a go at me and moaning about 'we pay our fees'. Just stop and have a think why i have asked the question in the first place. Yes I am a commercial engineer who is qualified. Yes I have now decided to try my hand at the self employed domestic market, as you will all know that the bottom is falling out of the construction side. I have asked the the question to get some advice, so I don't go breaking any laws. As the last thing I want to do is go to jail. I have spoken to Gas Safe and the bloke did say I can work on pcb's and fans for example, I am a bit skeptical about if the advice is correct. That is the whole reason I have asked this on here to make sure. I will be contacting Gas Safe again to double check. May I thank all of you who have given good advice on here, that what I needed not an ear full.

 

[Mike Jackson]

Before getting your knickers in a twist have a read of your first post. Nowhere do you mention that you are commercial Gas Safe. If you had put all of the facts in it wouldn't have got people so agitated.

 

[kirkgas]

Thank you to all you people who actually gave some sensible advice. By the way I am a qualified plumbing and heating engineer and I do have commercial gas safe qualification. So for all you bigot's who moan about me like a 'have a go DIYer' knock yourself down a peg or two will you. I have currently started working for myself and wanted to know where I stood on fixing boilers and how far I can go with them. I know I can't touch gas and I don't fix anything I'm not competent with. I have actulay phoned Gas Safe and asked them and I have been told I can work on PCB's and fans, just not gas pipes and valves. I'm going to get this verified agian to make sure. But that was all I was after, and not to be moaned at by the dinosaurs on here.

Have a nice day!!!:smug:

chech GSR website for the TB's there was one which caused a stooshie when it came out as it clarified who could do what inside gas appliances and it clearly stated that electrical components inside the boiler could be changed by a spark as long as no part of the gas train was worked on, so the question was asked what about boiler pcbs that had potentiometers on them to set gas pressure, the question got a blank, not sure if it has been superceded by now as it was a while ago

 

[kirkgas]

In technical terms to work on a fan, pump or pcb you would have to take the cover of the boiler and that is classed as being gas work. If you have commercial gas qualifications enrol at your local technical college to do the change over course from commercial COCN1 to CCN1 Domestic and the CEN1 qualification then you can register with gas safe legally, what you have to remember is that the gas industry is a legal mine field so it is better to pay a few hundered £ than risk a fine of thousands. Just my 2c.

pcb's and fans are inside the white decorative cover not the combustion box in some boilers

 

[northcarr]

You already know you have to be gsr as you have now said you have a com ticket

Hope someone can clarify this one for me.

I want to know where I stand on fixing domestic boilers.

I don't have domestic Gas Safe qualifications. Can I still work on boilers? in this I mean like replacing parts on them like PCB's and fans ect. I don't and never will touch anything gas, ie gas valves and pipework. Where do i stand on doing the other stuff? Am I allowed to so long as I know what I'm doing and competent?

Is anyone else in this situation and what are the boundaries.

Thanks