Baffled by this system? Can't see a pump...

[Millsy 82]

You got the answer 4+ times. You really havent got a clue! You say that plumbers dont have to be mensa but at least be able to read what others are saying to you!

Are you part P? If not why are you wiring it anyway? What happens if something goes wrong in between the time you finish and the sparks test it and burns the house down. I bet they wont appreciate that favour!

 

[SimonG]

Jack of all, master of none.

 

[OGBUzzard]

You don't need to be part p if you let your LBAC know you are doing the work and they check it off, check it out, more scaremongering. High horse needs a break I've got a high trough he can have a drink out of.

 

[jtsplumbing]

HAHAHAHA I was the one answering my own questions here, no one helped one bit. I told you lot it was a y plan. I worked that out because of the components in the system, and the fact it had a v4703 mid pos valve. All I wanted to know was whether every system needs a pump, I thought it might have been under their floor or something. I still didn't get the answer, someone even said "a y plan won't work without a pump". I wish I'd never asked to be honest. Thanks though for all the really really useful advice.

Yes you did get the answer ! the pump is in the boiler, its that you did not understand the system you were messing around with !!Your so smart how do you think the water & heating work with out a pump. Its a bit rude to say that you got no help, next you will be bragging how you sorted out this fault, and how no one on this site could not sort it, I think you have just been very lucky that you did not cause any damage.

 

[OGBUzzard]

simples.

no pump.

 

[Rickster123]

View attachment 13770

simples.

no pump.

but there is a pump.

simples.

 

[SimonG]

Hot water circulates down over all on it's own now! Your ignorance astounds me.

 

[Howsie]

So simple that you only now found a pictures of it and you were looking for a pump that didn't exist?

I'm glad you have it sorted but you really don't seem to understand what's being said here.

I'm glad you do all you're own plumbing work. So does this guy:

 

[Reg Man]

Simple as the diagram shows or should we call it a basic sketch which if you take for gospel would never work. Further more with the electrical work, the EWR require you to have sufficient experience and knowledge to carry out the work safely and not cause danger to any person. Basically qualified and tested, not just wired by numbers.

 

[armyash]

If you don't like the replies you get, you shouldn't be getting too arsey with people you might need more advice in the future.

I have Part P but not a load of experience so usually have someone giving me pointers when i'm doing any wiring. People were trying to help and you were told where the pump was.

Also sounds like you watch too many Danny Dyer films.

 

[Masood]

Why are we still feeding the troll lads? We all know that he knows diddly squat - the questions he asked give that away. Now he's just on a wind-up.

 

[Reg Man]

Why are we still feeding the troll lads? We all know that he knows diddly squat - the questions he asked give that away. Now he's just on a wind-up.

Yes your right there, heard enough now, Tamz hit it on the head on thread 2.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Guys don't worry I've worked as a sparkys mate before I have a fluke tester and a live wand too. I'm perfectly safe just not an expert at wiring centres. Thanks for your replies though. S noo what does the 3 port valve do if the boiler switches between heating and hot water? Essentially the question I was originally asking is why in all the wiring diagrams I look at does it have a pump in the system, and can I just omit it and connect up everything else.?

tc tc tc another electrician

 

[OGBUzzard]

All someone had to say was the water comes out the top of the cylinder which is higher than the level of the taps so gravity carries the hot water, no pump is needed. It is not pumped by the boiler, a y plan doesn't have to have a pump. I've worked all this out with the ex-british gas plumber you were ridiculing yesterday, after none of the so-called experts on here could offer up this simple advice. So in the end they didn't have to shell out to get it wired back up. There is a lot of hate on here its a bit worrying, it seems to be a trend in forums for people to get out their prams and start making mocking statements because they feel so superior. Its just a job guys calm down you aren't heroes you just go to work because you're getting paid for it. I only wanted to do a favour for someone who was in need of hot water to bathe their children then I get insults and mockery I hope you all feel big and clever.

 

[SimonG]

If I thought you were actually being serious then I would be very worried for anybody whose house you have worked in.

 

[Rickster123]

Can this thread be locked before people start calling this bloke a c*** or a p**** or a bell end. Oh that ones ok! There's a pump in the boiler. There's a pump in the boiler. There .... Is ..... A..... Pump..... In..... The..... Boiler!!!! A pump! In the boiler! It's in the friggin boiler! You've been told countless times. Now sod off and stop antagonising the good folk on here.

 

[Mike Jackson]

It is not pumped by the boiler, a y plan doesn't have to have a pump. I've worked all this out with the ex-british gas plumber you were ridiculing yesterday, after none of the so-called experts on here could offer up this simple advice.

What planet are you on? Of course a Y plan needs a pump. It's one of Honeywell's fully pumped systems. What it doesn't necessarily need is another pump if there is already one in the boiler.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

water does not come up of the cylinder Mr. electrician ......gravity does not allow this to happen ......water does not run up hill
gravity force from the water that is in the Cold water storage tank does this , as it is higher then the hot water cylinder ,
for every 1m of head gravity gives you 0.1bar pressure
but then you are electrician and even If I spend 30min writhing you would have not understand this basic physical principals any way

 

[Howsie]

Atmospheric pressure anyone

 

[OGBUzzard]

I give up. The pump is connected to the flow and return pipes from this system boiler and are connected to the heating coil in the cylinder. The boiler doesn't have water in and out pipes, so how can the pump in the boiler push water to any taps? Have you thought about what you're saying. Experts still telling me there's a pump in the boiler. The pump in the boiler has nothing to do with the hot water, its just for heating the rads and/or cylinder. Are you saying that the central heating water that's been going round the rads suddenly comes out of the tap. The two circuits are completely independent.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I give up. The pump is connected to the flow and return pipes from this system boiler and are connected to the heating coil in the cylinder. The boiler doesn't have water in and out pipes, so how can the pump in the boiler push water to any taps? Have you thought about what you're saying. Experts still telling me there's a pump in the boiler. The pump in the boiler has nothing to do with the hot water, its just for heating the rads and/or cylinder. Are you saying that the central heating water that's been going round the rads suddenly comes out of the tap. The two circuits are completely independent.

you are a star love you so mush

 

[SafeGasInstall]

now is time for this DRAMA to come to end , before some one start showering with the water from the ch system

 

[OGBUzzard]

I didn't think I'd need to explain that the tank pushes the water out the top as the cold water enters the bottom from the tank. I've got an A in physics GCSE. I didn't think you needed one of those to have a bit of common sense like that. Missing links.

 

[Masood]

Can this thread be locked before people start calling this bloke a c*** or a p**** or a bell end. Oh that ones ok! There's a pump in the boiler. There's a pump in the boiler. There .... Is ..... A..... Pump..... In..... The..... Boiler!!!! A pump! In the boiler! It's in the friggin boiler! You've been told countless times. Now sod off and stop antagonising the good folk on here.

Quality rant!

 

[OGBUzzard]

Quality rant!

So how does the pump push hot water to the taps if its not connected to the hot water pipes??? Have you thought about what you're saying or do you not have a bull**** filter in your brain.

 

[Mike Jackson]

The water in the hot water cylinder (It's a cylinder not a tank) has nothing to do with the Y plan. The Y plan is the set of controls that enable the boiler to heat up the water in the cylinder (yes cylinder not tank). This y plan requires a pump to work. This is known as the primary side.

Delivery of hot water does not require a pump but this is not what you asked. You asked if a y plan needed a pump, and it does.

P.S. it's not a tank in the loft it's a cold water storage cistern and it doesn't push the water out of the top of the cylinder. It's the head of water in the cistern that generates a force that pushes the water out of the top of the cylinder.

P.P.S my A level in physics trumps your GCSE.

 

[OGBUzzard]

I'm waiting for you lot to ridicule me again?? I thought you were experts you're supposed to be telling me how wrong I am because I don't know anything about plumbing....

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

i was going to close this thread but cant stop laughing long enough to do so

 

[jefaz]

You OGBUzzard are an absolute moron!
I reckon I could explain this to my 12 year old nephew and he would have a better grasp on than you do.
As much use as Anne Franks drum kit!!

 

[Atouchofgas]

Post 76 explains it in laymans terms, if you need us to repeat it we can do it slower for you

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

So how does the pump push hot water to the taps if its not connected to the hot water pipes??? Have you thought about what you're saying or do you not have a bull**** filter in your brain.

keep swearing and i will remove you,your system only needs a pump for heating the hots either under gravity pressure or mains depending on the system type

 

[Gray0689]

I'm waiting for you lot to ridicule me again?? I thought you were experts you're supposed to be telling me how wrong I am because I don't know anything about plumbing....

But you don't

 

[OGBUzzard]

So what plan would you call it if its not a y plan? It has a v4703a valve. A cylinder stat. A system boiler. A hot water cylinder with supply cistern. A Honeywell programmer and a room stat.

 

[Rickster123]

So what plan would you call it if its not a y plan? It has a v4703a valve. A cylinder stat. A system boiler. A hot water cylinder with supply cistern. A Honeywell programmer and a room stat.

A fully PUMPED y plan system

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

A fully PUMPED y plan system

which must have a pump to work

 

[Mike Jackson]

No one said it is anything but a Y plan. You seem to be confusing booster pumps for hot water with the central heating pump incorporated in the system boiler.

 

[OGBUzzard]

Its either of these. Please feel free to ridicule me again if I'm wrong.

 

[jefaz]

So what plan would you call it if its not a y plan? It has a v4703a valve. A cylinder stat. A system boiler. A hot water cylinder with supply cistern. A Honeywell programmer and a room stat.

We'll call it whatever you want it to be called princess

 

[mfgs]

This guy has to be on a windup, no one can be as stupid as to miss the answers to the questions he has asked this many times. I would be surprised if he makes it through every day life without wearing a helmet.

 

[Rickster123]

This guy has to be on a windup, no one can be as stupid as to miss the answers to the questions he has asked this many times. I would be surprised if he makes it through every day life without wearing a helmet.

Helmets don't wear helmets

 

[OGBUzzard]

I've been told a y plan needs a pump. I know the boiler has a pump i opened it up and looked at it. All I was asking in my original question is can a system like this work without a pump. In answer to that i got no a y plan must have a pump. And that its not a y plan. Now everyone's saying oh yeah it is a y plan oh yeah this oh yeah that. So now it is a y plan. What bloody system doesn't have a pump on the central heating??? Does anyone here think before they comment. As per usual the original point has been lost and its descended into a slanging match... Congratulations. Anyway its all working now and I have taught myself how a y plan system works and rewired it myself. In a day. Not 3 years at chav college. Cheers

 

[Plum Bob 66]

So how does the pump push hot water to the taps if its not connected to the hot water pipes??? Have you thought about what you're saying or do you not have a bull**** filter in your brain.

You are having a laugh aren't you. As safe gas instal and countless others have told you the hot water isn't/ doesn't require a pump in this case because its gravity fed from the cistern to the tank, from the tank to the multiple draw off points (sorry didn't mean to confuse you, taps or shower valve). Please tell us all this a wind up.

 

[PlumbBobBob]

so now you're admitting to taking the case off a boiler?

 

[Plum Bob 66]

You OGBUzzard are an absolute moron!
I reckon I could explain this to my 12 year old nephew and he would have a better grasp on than you do.
As much use as Anne Franks drum kit!!

That's a good quote, will remember that one!

 

[Howsie]

so now you're admitting to taking the case off a boiler?

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Masood]

So how does the pump push hot water to the taps if its not connected to the hot water pipes??? Have you thought about what you're saying or do you not have a bull**** filter in your brain.

Nobody on this thread suggested that the pump *does* push water to the taps. You were asking about wiring the pump to the wiring centre. That would be the circulator, which is inside the boiler as so many people have said so often. You are on a wind-up. I call troll!

 

[Dotty]

The op has been reported for insulting the trade, which he has on a number of occasions.

But like Gas man I've not laughed so much in ages so I think I'll just monitor this one for a wee while and have a chat with GM over what to do with chummy....

APPlumbing I must remember to smack your thighs later for your throwing of your dummy lol

 

[PlumbBobBob]

the op has certainly not endeared himself to the forum and i will be joining the discussion with Gas Man and croppie later

 

[OGBUzzard]

I insulted the trade because I was being insulted myself. I never posted in the hope of getting in a row.

 

[Rickster123]

I insulted the trade because I was being insulted myself. I never posted in the hope of getting in a row.

Yes you did, several times. You've wired it. It's working. So what more do you want from here if it isn't an argument?