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Hi,

I've had an annual service contract with Worcester Bosch (WB) for 10 years. I've got a Greenstar ZWBR 7-25.

In March 2013 their Service Technician spent no more than 20 minutes inside of my home carrying out a full annual service. My father attended the service, as I was at work. When I found out the duration of his visit I was very angry. This contract costs me the best part of £200 each year. Amongst other things safety checks are meant to be carried out in this service.

The Technician left without issuing a service report, and this has not been received subsequently, despite more than 30 days elapsing since this visit.

I complained to WB, sending my mobile phone records that show the time and phone number of the Technicians call, when he announced he would arrive in "10 minutes". Then the record of my father’s call confirming that the Technician had finished and was outside in his van. I was able to accurately demonstrate to WB that the Technician could not have spent more than 20 minutes in my home.

I do not know why WB did this. My father is elderly and maybe looked like someone who would not notice that an improper service had been carried out.

After submitting the complaint email to WB explaining what had happened I received a phone call from the northern service manager. Nine days had elapsed between the email being sent and the first contact (other than their email receipt), this phone call. I do not think this length of time is acceptable for any complaint, let alone one where clearly an improper service, quite possibly skipping safety checks is the topic.

The Manager agreed that a proper service could not have been carried out in 20 minutes. He said that the Technician concerned was on holiday, but he would be taking up the matter with him upon his return. Apologies were given, and it was agreed that a return visit by another Technician was be made. This time I was assured he would carry out the service correctly. A time of 8am was set on the agreed date.

I waited in my house for the Technician to turn up. By 11am I phoned WB to see why he had not turned up. I was told, that although the visit was shown on their system no Technician had been assigned. Thus no one was going to attend. Why had I not been contacted before the visit to discuss this problem?

I asked for the name of the person next up the hierarchy of service management, this was not given on the basis that the WB employee manning their switchboard didn't know and couldn’t find out.

So I asked if a Technician could be redirected onto my job, given the circumstances. This was refused.

I tried contacting the northern service manager directly (remember he had previously called me using his own mobile, and told me it was ok to phone him if there were any problems) I got his answer phone, he was on holiday.

WB has placed an "urgent" priority on my follow up complaint, which I lodged today.

I will keep updating his thread. I believe this kind of behaviour needs to be publicised so that those interested in using or purchasing from WB can make informed decisions about this company.

I expect WB will eventually provide a correct service. But for me that’s not the point. There are wider implications to what they attempted to do.


I would appreciate any advice you could offer on how to deal with this situation:

1) 1) Has there been an attempt to defraud me?

2) 2) Are they in breach of legislation by consenting to carry out a service with safety checks, then attempting to mislead me when they didn’t actually carry out these checks?
3) Should I seek legal representation at this stage?
4) Is there an industry ombudsman I can turn to?


Regards
Paul
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Calm down dear

If all is working well, why not complete a service in 20 mins, what do you want, him to string it out just to make you feel better?

He must have looked inside the boiler, done an FGA and left. If its been well maintained over the last x years what else is there to do?
 
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Agreed. there is very little to do in servicing a modern WB boiler. A check of the safety valve and a clean of the condense trap, the FGA check tells the rest of the story, if it was outside of the limits as laid down in the manufaturers instructions then a full strip down and investigation would be called for.
 
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This is a WB Technician who works on WB boilers all day/week/year.
I assume the £200 gets more than just 1 visit if required plus a yearly service?
 
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Before deciding that 20minutes was insufficient I spent about an hour checking on various websites of independents who specialise in boiler servicing. I found that 45 minutes was a minimum.

In all of the 6 or so visits to my home that I personally attended it did in fact take 45 minutes or more to service my boiler.

And finally the WB northern service manager agreed that it was not possible to get through the checks WB prescribed for my boiler in 20 minutes.

I truly feel that this service was not done correctly for all of the above reasons.
 
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My contract also includes for replacement parts I believe.
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Hi,

I've had an annual service contract with Worcester Bosch (WB) for 10 years. I've got a Greenstar ZWBR 7-25.

In March 2013 their Service Technician spent no more than 20 minutes inside of my home carrying out a full annual service. My father attended the service, as I was at work. When I found out the duration of his visit I was very angry. This contract costs me the best part of £200 each year. Amongst other things safety checks are meant to be carried out in this service.

The Technician left without issuing a service report, and this has not been received subsequently, despite more than 30 days elapsing since this visit.

I complained to WB, sending my mobile phone records that show the time and phone number of the Technicians call, when he announced he would arrive in "10 minutes". Then the record of my father’s call confirming that the Technician had finished and was outside in his van. I was able to accurately demonstrate to WB that the Technician could not have spent more than 20 minutes in my home.

I do not know why WB did this. My father is elderly and maybe looked like someone who would not notice that an improper service had been carried out.

After submitting the complaint email to WB explaining what had happened I received a phone call from the northern service manager. Nine days had elapsed between the email being sent and the first contact (other than their email receipt), this phone call. I do not think this length of time is acceptable for any complaint, let alone one where clearly an improper service, quite possibly skipping safety checks is the topic.

The Manager agreed that a proper service could not have been carried out in 20 minutes. He said that the Technician concerned was on holiday, but he would be taking up the matter with him upon his return. Apologies were given, and it was agreed that a return visit by another Technician was be made. This time I was assured he would carry out the service correctly. A time of 8am was set on the agreed date.

I waited in my house for the Technician to turn up. By 11am I phoned WB to see why he had not turned up. I was told, that although the visit was shown on their system no Technician had been assigned. Thus no one was going to attend. Why had I not been contacted before the visit to discuss this problem?

I asked for the name of the person next up the hierarchy of service management, this was not given on the basis that the WB employee manning their switchboard didn't know and couldn’t find out.

So I asked if a Technician could be redirected onto my job, given the circumstances. This was refused.

I tried contacting the northern service manager directly (remember he had previously called me using his own mobile, and told me it was ok to phone him if there were any problems) I got his answer phone, he was on holiday.

WB has placed an "urgent" priority on my follow up complaint, which I lodged today.

I will keep updating his thread. I believe this kind of behaviour needs to be publicised so that those interested in using or purchasing from WB can make informed decisions about this company.

I expect WB will eventually provide a correct service. But for me that’s not the point. There are wider implications to what they attempted to do.


I would appreciate any advice you could offer on how to deal with this situation:

1) 1) Has there been an attempt to defraud me?

2) 2) Are they in breach of legislation by consenting to carry out a service with safety checks, then attempting to mislead me when they didn’t actually carry out these checks?
3) Should I seek legal representation at this stage?
4) Is there an industry ombudsman I can turn to?


Regards
Paul

As said if all was in tolerance fine, which i would expect if serviced every year, maybe the year before they were much longer and fitted a new electrode etc?

As for you treatment regards the follow up, thats poor for WB to be honest, they are usually top notch.....calm down and speak to a supervisor who will sort the issue amd "maybe" if you treat them as human and not threaten legal proceeding compensate you for your time etc....good luck

You dont drive a Land Rover do you?
 
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Just checked the MI's for that partiular model. they state -

"Check that the condensate trap and syphon are clear and clean, if necessary, by draining and refilling. Remove the yellow cap at the base of the siphon to drain. See Fig. 30.

Ensure that the system is full, vented and pressurised.
Check the inlet gas pressure and the maximum heat input. Refer to Table 1 and Section 7. If the gas rate has dropped by more than 5% from the specified figure then check the combustion performance of the appliance.

Connect a combustion test meter (to read CO2%)to the test point on the flue turret and operate the appliance at maximum input or 10 minutes. See Section 11. A CO2 reading of about 9.5±
0.2% should be achieved.

If the figures for the gas rate and the CO2 are not satisfactory then it will be necessary for the appliance flueways to be cleaned."

So yeah, 20 mins perfectly feasible, especially if he's at it all the time.
 
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Vern,

In previous visits there have been no parts to fit or faults to fix. I had an electrode fitted one. The services still took 45 minutes.

Although not part of the central heating indsutry I've 20years as a plant engineer with experience working with contractors on large industrial gas fired heating systems. I know a good and thorough, knowledgeable contractor when i meet one.

I have always been impressed with WB in those respects. Hence the continuance of the contract. Of course the recent problems appear to be down to one bad technician and a botched booking system.

But the point is that i paid for certain checks to be done to ensure the relaibility and safety of my combi. WB themselves admit this was not done in the last visit, hence the follow up visit, that failed.

I've sent two emails and made three phone calls to get to the stage i was at this morning. I have given them plenty of opportunity to rectify this situation. I don't think they are taking this seruiously, and i think it needs escalating.

No Land Rover I'm afraid.
 
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And if he carried out the checks, where is the service report?
 
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And if he carried out the checks, where is the service report?

I would agree that is a valid point, also agree that the WB service desk is not giving you the service they usually accomplish, I think you have grounds for complaint there.
 
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And if he carried out the checks, where is the service report?

Id imagine a firm the size of WB log all their work electronically and the engineer filled out his findings on a laptop of some sort, so this report should be easily obtainable. However, they have no legal obligation to leave any paperwork behind on a service. But, if you ask for it then they have to, so ask them for it again and they will have to send it legally.

As for the twenty minute service, I think its easily achievable if everything is ok. It's not like he had to check your radiators/pipework/gas meter etc, as this wouldn't be covered.

As long as everything is ok then I wouldn't worry about it, half of a service nowadays on a band A condensing boiler are visual checks and these can be carried out very quickly if done each day, day in, day out.

If he had found anything out of sorts then he would have sorted it, he probably has a van full of stock and its probably not worth the grief of a call back to him.
 
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Sorry mis read thread
 
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Vern,

In previous visits there have been no parts to fit or faults to fix. I had an electrode fitted one. The services still took 45 minutes.

Although not part of the central heating indsutry I've 20years as a plant engineer with experience working with contractors on large industrial gas fired heating systems. I know a good and thorough, knowledgeable contractor when i meet one.

I have always been impressed with WB in those respects. Hence the continuance of the contract. Of course the recent problems appear to be down to one bad technician and a botched booking system.

But the point is that i paid for certain checks to be done to ensure the relaibility and safety of my combi. WB themselves admit this was not done in the last visit, hence the follow up visit, that failed.

I've sent two emails and made three phone calls to get to the stage i was at this morning. I have given them plenty of opportunity to rectify this situation. I don't think they are taking this seruiously, and i think it needs escalating.

No Land Rover I'm afraid.

very strange WB normally leave a report covering gas pressure, co2 readings etc etc,........i would have a chat Mon to sort Paul as there will be more gaffers around
 
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I do all my recording on ipad, so the customer doesn't get a copy unless its requested (other than what i write in back of boiler book).

As Tom said, there's no obligation to leave you with anything.
 
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Why do you need legal representation?

Just take your money elsewhere, i think your over reacting
 
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Definitely over reacting!

I & I expect many other engineers can perform all the neccessary safety checks including flue gas adjustments etc if needed within 20 minutes on a modern Worcester Bosch! If I'm being honest I usually take my time & can make it last 45 minutes, as I would not like customers to feel I rushed the job!

i would be pretty sure all the checks were done, and your boiler is operating safely!

Worcester usually log all details and a paper copy is sent in the post, it may take awhile but if you received them before then it will arrive!

Talk of legal representation, don't be silly!
 
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Done many services on modern WBs but 20min is simply impossible to me. Anyone noticed the checkbox for the energy efficiency checks? How long does a gas tightness test take and how quick can you open and close the casing on a GS Junior for example? Add all that together, when do you get your analyser/kit in? Who and when fills in your forms? When and how do you ask the customer about potential irregularities, when and how do you note the last fault and reset the service reminder? Anyone FGAed and set up the boiler which on most devices happens annually, best biennially?
What about the condensate trap, fan pressure?
 
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Done many services on modern WBs but 20min is simply impossible to me. Anyone noticed the checkbox for the energy efficiency checks? How long does a gas tightness test take and how quick can you open and close the casing on a GS Junior for example? Add all that together, when do you get your analyser/kit in? Who and when fills in your forms? When and how do you ask the customer about potential irregularities, when and how do you note the last fault and reset the service reminder? Anyone FGAed and set up the boiler which on most devices happens annually, best biennially?
What about the condensate trap, fan pressure?

i doubt Worcester do a gas tightness test on a service contract! Plus a Worcester engineer does these boilers day in & out!

The last time I called Worcester they changed a faulty pcb on a cdi in a few minutes!

I'm sure the likes of British gas, who just stick there analyser in without sometimes takin the case off are not at a property 20 minutes!

Multi tasking, whack it in max, checking gas inlet plus fan pressure At the same time. The condensate has a clear plastic housing, it may not have required cleaning of done last year... Etc
 
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OP, I think you have a complaint with regard to lack of customer service but I think this could be a side effect of being a little heavy handed. I find a little tact and diplomacy can go a long way. Oh, and I don't see how you being a plant engineer has anything to do with the issue.
 
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My comments, based on the many helpful posts I've received:

It seems that for my £200 I've had the most basic of services, which should at the least be adequate. All of the other years when WB took 45 minutes or so, the Technician either took his time or went beyond the basic servicing content. For the amount I am paying I think that I'm entitled to more than 20 minutes worth. I can't help but feel more checks equals more faults found or prevented from developing into break downs. And if nothings found, then alls well and good, but at least I know that I've had value for money and have peace of mind. Some of the independents have posted lists of checks they carry out, far more extensive than what WB are doing to my boiler, and for a lot less money.

Remember their own service manager agrees 20 minutes is insufficient. So although its possible to carry out essential checks in this time that is not what the service manager is expecting the Technicians to do.

The point posted that the contract probably doesn't specify what constitutes a service is correct. My contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year.

In the past I've always been given a report, without the need to request it. To start with it was given at the time of the service, but its been posted in recent years. This time nothing. I did point out (and requested a copy) that the report was not issued in my first contact when I complained about the 20 minute visit. That was about 5 weeks ago, still no report. I will re-request that I'm sent a copy.

You're rght. I've calmed down a lot since I posted this morning. I live alone and work lots of hours. Time away from my job is precious time. For me to give up my Saturday morning to wait in for the follow up service and have them not turn up was maddening. Remember, it was me who phoned them to find out what was going on. A quick phone call to tell me the day before that they're rescheduling would have cost next to nothing and kept me on side, and I think is a reasonable way to go about their business.

As it stands I feel this contract is poor value for money, the way they've messed me around with slow responses to complaints (weeks pass by) and then dropping me in this morning I can't accept. The lack of a report, even though requested, is suspect to my mind.

I am guessing that you guys are all in the service sector, rather than customers like myself. Its useful to hear your take on the events. So given that my £200 contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year on my 15yr old Greenstar. Do you think in the long term I'd be better off with a good independent, or stick WB?
 
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My comments, based on the many helpful posts I've received:

It seems that for my �200 I've had the most basic of services, which should at the least be adequate. All of the other years when WB took 45 minutes or so, the Technician either took his time or went beyond the basic servicing content. For the amount I am paying I think that I'm entitled to more than 20 minutes worth. I can't help but feel more checks equals more faults found or prevented from developing into break downs. And if nothings found, then alls well and good, but at least I know that I've had value for money and have peace of mind. Some of the independents have posted lists of checks they carry out, far more extensive than what WB are doing to my boiler, and for a lot less money.

Remember their own service manager agrees 20 minutes is insufficient. So although its possible to carry out essential checks in this time that is not what the service manager is expecting the Technicians to do.

The point posted that the contract probably doesn't specify what constitutes a service is correct. My contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year.

In the past I've always been given a report, without the need to request it. To start with it was given at the time of the service, but its been posted in recent years. This time nothing. I did point out (and requested a copy) that the report was not issued in my first contact when I complained about the 20 minute visit. That was about 5 weeks ago, still no report. I will re-request that I'm sent a copy.

You're rght. I've calmed down a lot since I posted this morning. I live alone and work lots of hours. Time away from my job is precious time. For me to give up my Saturday morning to wait in for the follow up service and have them not turn up was maddening. Remember, it was me who phoned them to find out what was going on. A quick phone call to tell me the day before that they're rescheduling would have cost next to nothing and kept me on side, and I think is a reasonable way to go about their business.

As it stands I feel this contract is poor value for money, the way they've messed me around with slow responses to complaints (weeks pass by) and then dropping me in this morning I can't accept. The lack of a report, even though requested, is suspect to my mind.

I am guessing that you guys are all in the service sector, rather than customers like myself. Its useful to hear your take on the events. So given that my �200 contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year on my 15yr old Greenstar. Do you think in the long term I'd be better off with a good independent, or stick WB?
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Find yourself a good independent engineer, speak to family, friends, colleagues or neighbours for a recommendation.
 
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What area you in paul, im sure someone from here can help
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

My comments, based on the many helpful posts I've received:

It seems that for my �200 I've had the most basic of services, which should at the least be adequate. All of the other years when WB took 45 minutes or so, the Technician either took his time or went beyond the basic servicing content. For the amount I am paying I think that I'm entitled to more than 20 minutes worth. I can't help but feel more checks equals more faults found or prevented from developing into break downs. And if nothings found, then alls well and good, but at least I know that I've had value for money and have peace of mind. Some of the independents have posted lists of checks they carry out, far more extensive than what WB are doing to my boiler, and for a lot less money.

Remember their own service manager agrees 20 minutes is insufficient. So although its possible to carry out essential checks in this time that is not what the service manager is expecting the Technicians to do.

The point posted that the contract probably doesn't specify what constitutes a service is correct. My contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year.

In the past I've always been given a report, without the need to request it. To start with it was given at the time of the service, but its been posted in recent years. This time nothing. I did point out (and requested a copy) that the report was not issued in my first contact when I complained about the 20 minute visit. That was about 5 weeks ago, still no report. I will re-request that I'm sent a copy.

You're rght. I've calmed down a lot since I posted this morning. I live alone and work lots of hours. Time away from my job is precious time. For me to give up my Saturday morning to wait in for the follow up service and have them not turn up was maddening. Remember, it was me who phoned them to find out what was going on. A quick phone call to tell me the day before that they're rescheduling would have cost next to nothing and kept me on side, and I think is a reasonable way to go about their business.

As it stands I feel this contract is poor value for money, the way they've messed me around with slow responses to complaints (weeks pass by) and then dropping me in this morning I can't accept. The lack of a report, even though requested, is suspect to my mind.

I am guessing that you guys are all in the service sector, rather than customers like myself. Its useful to hear your take on the events. So given that my �200 contact provides an annual service, free parts and labour for repairs for a year on my 15yr old Greenstar. Do you think in the long term I'd be better off with a good independent, or stick WB?
 
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SimonG,


My initial post does come across as heavy handed, so I can understand your view. But that’s not how I’ve dealt with WB so far. They’ve received nothing but polite, though I admit firm phone calls and two factual emails. I’ve had a service that their own manager agrees was not sufficient, waited weeks for replies to my complaint, and then this morning got dropped in , plus WB had no intention of ever calling me to reschedule today’s missed visit.


I really don’t think I’ve brought this upon myself.


Gasmannxxx,


I live in Sunderland. I would appreciate a contact for a good independent. I’m sure WB will come good in the end, but I no longer think they are the best solution for me.
 
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If i'm right this thread is all about someone takin 20 mins to do in your opinion 45 mins of work for £200 ,

maybe the previous service engineers were stringing out 20 mins worth of work over 45 ??
 
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Maybe he was in a rush to catch a plane to go on holiday?
 
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To be fair, I can easily complete a service on a Greenstar in 20 minutes -. Analyse is whilst checking working pressure, fan pressure and gas rate - adjust the readings in max/min if required and once they are correct, test the FSD and you're away!

That's why I always love reading Greenstar in the job history on the laptop, you know you're in for an easy job!
 
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