Toilet connection

[Dparker357]

Hi there I was wondering if anyone can help please the picture attached shows a toilet syphon connection to a pan. I haven't seen this type of connection before does anyone know if this is ok and if so where I can get that white l shape connection piece from as the syphon needs to changed due to poor flush. It's as though it is a high level pan with a close coupled cistern. Can anyone inlighten me please?

 

[Last Plumber]

Not seen one like that before. Is it a DIY bodge ?

 

[Dparker357]

Like I say I haven't seen it either and I'm worried to take the job on as it certainly seems as though it's been made up as they go. It doesn't flush well at all and from what the customer explains the syphon has been changed before already.

 

[Last Plumber]

Am I right thinking the soil pipe turns and runs behind the pan and that's why they haven't used a close coupled ?

Is it because they can't get close to the wall with the pan or that the Cistern would be to far off the wall.

I.m looking at that box under the cistern and trying to make it out, is it a tiled box around the soil pipe ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

yea seen that before but special siphon if i remember right with a rubber o ring

 

[Last Plumber]

Over to you shauncorbs, I've not seen that set up before !

 

[Dparker357]

Yes last plumber it's all tiled and the soil pipe runs as you said. Shaun corbs did the toilet you repaired still flush properly or did it have any issues?

 

[Best]

Twyfords used to make a similar set up that allowed the pan to connect to a soil pipe coming through floor far from wall, same as a low level toilet. It was intended for exactly that - replacing a low level toilet that sewer couldn't be moved easily. But I don't know if that applies to this.
Bit risky, but you might be able to remove everything and replace the syphon washer.
That plastic bend you don't want to damage

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes last plumber it's all tiled and the soil pipe runs as you said. Shaun corbs did the toilet you repaired still flush properly or did it have any issues?

yea job was easy but cant remember 100% if the o ring was on the flush pipe or siphon

and normal set up is back to wall pan and a low level cistern

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Over to you shauncorbs, I've not seen that set up before !

yea seen a few types

if you see something like this dont strip it without replacement parts as it will break

TWYFORD BATHROOMS NOCTURNE ACCELERATOR KIT CF8138XX CISTERN FIXING ASSEMBLY | eBay

 

[Best]

yea seen a few types

if you see something like this dont strip it without replacement parts as it will break

TWYFORD BATHROOMS NOCTURNE ACCELERATOR KIT CF8138XX CISTERN FIXING ASSEMBLY | eBay

That's the one I was talking about, I just found it but you beat me to it.

 

[snowhead]

Flush pipe Similar to this one then;

Ideal White Flush Pipe 6301

 

[ShaunCorbs]

That's the one I was talking about, I just found it but you beat me to it.

changed a few bogs because of it

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Flush pipe Similar to this one then;

Ideal White Flush Pipe 6301

thats the one looks like your fine op might be worth getting one just incase (o ring is shagged)

 

[Best]

changed a few bogs because of it

I installed a few of those original toilets, probably over 20 years ago.
Very handy but pity the plastic bend is poor design

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I installed a few of those original toilets, probably over 20 years ago.
Very handy but pity the plastic bend is poor design

Yep normally see them now with a tube of silicone on them

 

[Dparker357]

Are you saying I can't use a universal fluid master flush valve or anything apart from the original flush valve because it won't fit that bend?

 

[Dparker357]

Thank you for the responses very helpful

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Are you saying I can't use a universal fluid master flush valve or anything apart from the original flush valve because it won't fit that bend?

Yes you can the reason I said that wasn't sure which part had the o ring in

Sorry for any confusion

 

[Dparker357]

That's the one I was talking about, I just found it but you beat me to it.

how does this kit even fit onto this toilet? It has bolts for a normal close coupled toilet??

 

[Best]

how does this kit even fit onto this toilet? It has bolts for a normal close coupled toilet??

It won't do your toilet. Probably you need to go with the one in the link that Snowhead posted.

 

[Dparker357]

It won't do your toilet. Probably you need to go with the one in the link that Snowhead posted.

Ahh ok thanks. Great thanks for the help guys! il give this job a go and see what happens

 

[Fallon1982]

I don't think the Twyford nocturne kit will work - I came across loads of them on a local council estate and am sure they had two nuts/bolts that fixed them to the pan before the cistern sat on it.

 

[Dparker357]

Yeah this one doesn't have anything like that it just has 2 metal legs sticking out of the wall that it sits on and 2 at the top of the cistern screwed into the wall.

 

[Dparker357]

I have purchased the flush pipe but how can I connect it to a universal type fluid master?