Thoughts on todays aggro

[hammers4spanner]

Done a llsc at a property today which had been done by a couple different engineers before.
Picked up some usual stuff along with an unsealed flue however upon a gas rate on a logic+ 30 kw i got 27 kw and 11mbar at aplliance.

I double checked with ideal and they said they would not recommend this an to upgrade pipework from 15 mm to 22mm.
Well noted this on cert and decided to AR it .1 , because of flue and 2, because of pipe issue.

Well it kicked right off with the landlord who decided to call gas safe who basically said i was wrong and then procededto scout right through all google listings to study my finding.

The cust asked how come its passed last 5 years and suddenly i have found this ?

The AR for the pipework was just as much because the install was a mess, so im basic querying what the collective would of done here?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

What did fga readings say

Flue unsealed ncs if no blow back eg no poc coming back

As for the gas if ratio and others are fine then just note it down recommendation

If gas pressure is adjusting figures then it's ar

Llgsc isn't pass or fail just note down what's wrong

 

[hammers4spanner]

The fga was ok it was one of those shall i AR it or not decided to more to cover myself as you never know.

The black flue seal was on outside however when i had my last gsr inspection with local inspector that was one thing he pointed out. He said always seal under that cover dont get into a bad practice of not sealing it.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The fga was ok it was one of those shall i AR it or not decided to more to cover myself as you never know.

The black flue seal was on outside however when i had my last gsr inspection with local inspector that was one thing he pointed out. He said always seal under that cover dont get into a bad practice of not sealing it.

Yea it's one of those

And there's been a tb since then

Rubber seal outside plastic inside ok

Rubber out plaster inside ok

Cement outside plaster inside ok

 

[hammers4spanner]

What has done my head in here tho is that you try do it properly have a bit of time doing it and you get slaughtered by the customer.

I looked at the previous certs and you could tell its in out 15 minute job

 

[ShaunCorbs]

What has done my head in here tho is that you try do it properly have a bit of time doing it and you get slaughtered by the customer.

I looked at the previous certs and you could tell its in out 15 minute job

Yep that's the problem

Last guy pasted and passed from outside now you give a list of faults and your seen as needing work / adding extras

 

[hammers4spanner]

Another spin on this is that this issue has existed since dayit was installed , thus it hasnt been comissioned properly .
Does this then make it an uncommissined appliance...?

 

[Harvest Fields]

Didn’t they change the rules recently and if the flue has a collar externally but is not sealed it is classed as AR?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Another spin on this is that this issue has existed since dayit was installed , thus it hasnt been comissioned properly .
Does this then make it an uncommissined appliance...?

No as someone has signed it off and it's had a check

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Didn’t they change the rules recently and if the flue has a collar externally but is not sealed it is classed as AR?

Only if poc are coming back in

 

[sammathias]

11mb at appliance is definitely low. Personally I would have probably AR it also. Especially if gas rate was low also.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Only if poc are coming back in

I thought it had to be AR if the flue could be pulled apart from outside?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I thought it had to be AR if the flue could be pulled apart from outside?

Still ar but could become id if that happens

 

[Chalked]

Done a llsc at a property today which had been done by a couple different engineers before.
Picked up some usual stuff along with an unsealed flue however upon a gas rate on a logic+ 30 kw i got 27 kw and 11mbar at aplliance.

I double checked with ideal and they said they would not recommend this an to upgrade pipework from 15 mm to 22mm.
Well noted this on cert and decided to AR it .1 , because of flue and 2, because of pipe issue.

Well it kicked right off with the landlord who decided to call gas safe who basically said i was wrong and then procededto scout right through all google listings to study my finding.

The cust asked how come its passed last 5 years and suddenly i have found this ?

The AR for the pipework was just as much because the install was a mess, so im basic querying what the collective would of done here?

11 mb at appliance, or on appliance gas valve?

 

[hammers4spanner]

At appliance the little test point underneath on the logics.

Wether or not the regs have changed on the flue seal it was fitted about 5 or 6 year ago so i would of thought at that time igbwas fitted AR.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

At appliance the little test point underneath on the logics.

Wether or not the regs have changed on the flue seal it was fitted about 5 or 6 year ago so i would of thought at that time igbwas fitted AR.

Did you account for the drop on the test point ?

 

[Harvest Fields]

I would of AR it

 

[sammathias]

Drop on test point is like 2.5mb on a 30kw logic so at worse 15.5mb... did you not take the gas iso off and check for any blockage?

 

[Scott_D]

Drop on test point is like 2.5mb on a 30kw logic so at worse 15.5mb... did you not take the gas iso off and check for any blockage?

On a landlord check?

 

[sammathias]

On a landlord check?

For the sake of 5minutes so you don't have to AR the appliance?

 

[Scott_D]

For the sake of 5minutes so you don't have to AR the appliance?

If the pipework looked ok I agree
But if you can tell it's gonna be undersized I wouldn't.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I never checked for any blockage tbh but it did cross my mind but at same time i could see on show 3 meters of 15 mm before it disappeared into the ceiling.

 

[dancinplumba]

At appliance the little test point underneath on the logics.

Wether or not the regs have changed on the flue seal it was fitted about 5 or 6 year ago so i would of thought at that time igbwas fitted AR.

what was at meter ?

 

[hammers4spanner]

20 mbar,

This was a llsc so i guess the collective either way would have noted findings on the cert?

Thats one of the issues is that after about 5 years of checks that this has suddenly come up

 

[Harvest Fields]

20 mbar,

This was a llsc so i guess the collective either way would have noted findings on the cert?

Thats one of the issues is that after about 5 years of checks that this has suddenly come up

This happens all the time mate. Not just with you.

 

[Scott_D]

All you can do is explain that it may never have been mentioned before, but you have done a through check and it's not right.
If they just want a cheap piece of paper then use the other guy, if they want to keep the tenants safe then it needs bringing up to standard.

 

[firemant]

I would of AR it

On a landlord check?

Why

 

[firemant]

What has done my head in here tho is that you try do it properly have a bit of time doing it and you get slaughtered by the customer.

I looked at the previous certs and you could tell its in out 15 minute job

But you did not do it right.

You can't AR because it is a crap job.

Low pressure is not AR in itself. If it affects the appliance (obviously not here, as your FGA was ok) or any other, then it is ID.

Unsealed flue is ID if fumes coming back (in truth, how is that ping to happen?)

If the flue is reachable and unguarded, and is able to be pulled apart - I think AR. As much as anything else, it should be clamped/sscrewed As someone said, there was a TB.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Why

For the flue

 

[sammathias]

But you did not do it right

So for arguments sake let's say it was 8mb at appliance iso on a llsc and the fga readings where ok your telling me you wouldn't have AR the appliance but just noted it down?

 

[hammers4spanner]

Actually spoke to gas safe in the end and AR is generally not used for this . However as it's your discretion and decide to AR it then it's not doing anything wrong either.
Also it must be written down on the cert like everything else you find .
Goes back to covering your back end.

Thats from the gsr

 

[Harvest Fields]

Actually spoke to gas safe in the end and AR is generally not used for this . However as it's your discretion and decide to AR it then it's not doing anything wrong either.
Also it must be written down on the cert like everything else you find .
Goes back to covering your back end.

Thats from the gsr

Ask them to email you it writing.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ask them to email you it writing.

So you don't write your findings on a cert ?

 

[Harvest Fields]

So you don't write your findings on a cert ?

You are miss understanding me. I would AR the boiler for the flue not being sealed through the external wall. I would always note findings down on the cert irrelevant of how pointless they are. I was asking them to ask GSR to email it you in writing. Would be surprised if they did.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Oh we all know they won't do that