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Appreciate this info Chris. This is quite enlightening to me. I had always been of the impression that if the work was done to regs and someone was willing to check it over and certify it as such then it was considered OK.

Probably more concerning is that I have mentioned this before to various training providers and no one has pointed out this not being OK.

Time the reconsider my position I think. Thanks for the info guys.

Hello again Jamesjamie,

I could not reply to your message quoted above immediately because I was having a late Dinner.

I am not trying to labour my previous points - but regarding your comment here:

QUOTE:

I had always been of the impression that if the work was done to regs and someone was willing to check it over and certify it as such then it was considered OK.

END OF QUOTE

It is exactly because the Gas works would NOT have been carried out `to the regs` that makes it illegal for a registered Gas Safe Engineer / Installer to `Sign it off`.

The MAIN Regulation is that ALL Gas works must be carried out and `Signed Off` by a Gas safe registered Gas Engineer / Installer.

Chris
 
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I fear we are wasting our breath here the OP seems to think it’s an easy trade to get into so good luck to him
 
I'm going to try and be a bit more positive, if you went by the advice of most here no one would ever come in to this trade. It sounds like you're in a fairly good position in that you're not so reliant on the income and have people you can learn from. It's almost certainly going to take you longer to get to the point you want to, it just takes time. From me actually starting to train to being a self employed gas engineer took around 5/6 years in total, but got there in the end. What i'd say is only take on jobs you're comfortable with at first, say no to stuff that you feel is too much. I did a 20 week gas course (after level 2+3 college), plus going out with engineers to build the portfolio and after that you're still not quite ready until you've got a bit more experience, so i'd say maybe offer to help the guys you know at a low rate. Also once you're qualified go on all the boiler manufacturer's free courses. Be wary of how the course phrase the placement with an engineer, it sounds like you're just mirroring them to learn so should be ok, but i knew a course that guaranteed a job at the end but it was just an interview, which no one ever got the job for.

As others have said signing off other people's work isn't legal so don't base your plan around that. One other thing i'd say is a gas course will teach you nothing other than gas, so you're going to need to learn the overall workings of a heating system, even how a boiler really works from elsewhere. Unless you work for a big firm you can't really just work on gas, people will just tell you their heating doesn't work, they won't know if it's the boiler or something else causing it.
 
What you say is fair point but still not realistic to many people who think they are going to learn an apprenticeships worth of knowledge in 20 weeks. No one is debating it cant happen but there are so many people trying to run before they can walk and talk as if plumbing is a simple trade that anyone can get into, when truth be told it’s just not. The problem with these courses is they dumb down the trade further and as such you get bad jobs for poor money, the customer knows no different so the cycle continues
 
I'm going to try and be a bit more positive, if you went by the advice of most here no one would ever come in to this trade. It sounds like you're in a fairly good position in that you're not so reliant on the income and have people you can learn from. It's almost certainly going to take you longer to get to the point you want to, it just takes time. From me actually starting to train to being a self employed gas engineer took around 5/6 years in total, but got there in the end. What i'd say is only take on jobs you're comfortable with at first, say no to stuff that you feel is too much. I did a 20 week gas course (after level 2+3 college), plus going out with engineers to build the portfolio and after that you're still not quite ready until you've got a bit more experience, so i'd say maybe offer to help the guys you know at a low rate. Also once you're qualified go on all the boiler manufacturer's free courses. Be wary of how the course phrase the placement with an engineer, it sounds like you're just mirroring them to learn so should be ok, but i knew a course that guaranteed a job at the end but it was just an interview, which no one ever got the job for.

As others have said signing off other people's work isn't legal so don't base your plan around that. One other thing i'd say is a gas course will teach you nothing other than gas, so you're going to need to learn the overall workings of a heating system, even how a boiler really works from elsewhere. Unless you work for a big firm you can't really just work on gas, people will just tell you their heating doesn't work, they won't know if it's the boiler or something else causing it.
Thanks for the feedback.

At what stage did you feel confident enough to carry out services and give landlord certificates?
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.

There are none so blind as those who do not want to hear Riley...
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.
And you think that'd what they would teach me to do on a fast track course?
 

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