Must you be Gas Safe Registered to do Gas installation? Read HSE's response.

[Nostrum]

Or increase the consumer awareness on the certification process, and maybe introduce fines for non compliance, or lack of registration by cowboy installers. All of a sudden, bill from down the pub fitting you boiler for £100 on the weekend doesn't sound like as good a deal if the lack of certificate will cost you £1000.

 

[Reza]

I think perhaps people are not paying attention. I didn't say what the regulation defines and what it doesn't! I asked a straight forward question and that is if individuals think the L56 in principle is on the right track despite the issues surrounding it!

 

[SafeGasInstall]

i have had about 5 drinks by now !

gas safe took over about 4 years if i am not wrong , a part of taking my and your yearly charge and sending me my magazine dont think thay have done much . another legal scam

 

[Nostrum]

How can it be on the right or wrong track though? It is guidance for current regulation. Therefore they can only clarify some misconception surrounding the requirements for registration. This is why you cannot enforce boiler sales to registered engineers only. It would be like saying you cannot buy a light switch from b and q unless your a registered electrician.

its unlikely the regulations will change any time soon. It is possible to introduce tougher penalties for breach of building control notification though.

 

[Derek Hardman]

Today i was asked about an old Corgi certificate of compliance which a customer has lost, but now need to sell the house (according to the estate agent/solicitors), Corgi cannot supply copies (according to Corgi), GSR cannot duplicate the old Corgi certificate (According to GSR), and building control say they dont need to get involved as the completed Benchmark will suffice as proof of compliance as stated on the front cover of the Benchmark book? Trying not to thread wander here, but it is relative to the OP.

 

[Reza]

How can it be on the right or wrong track though? It is guidance for current regulation. Therefore they can only clarify some misconception surrounding the requirements for registration. This is why you cannot enforce boiler sales to registered engineers only. It would be like saying you cannot buy a light switch from b and q unless your a registered electrician.
its unlikely the regulations will change any time soon. It is possible to introduce tougher penalties for breach of building control notification though.

Unlikely but not impossible. If I'm not wrong, you too can see the shortfalls and contradictory nature of these rules, which we are now bringing to the attention of the powers that be.

 

[Nostrum]

Today i was asked about an old Corgi certificate of compliance which a customer has lost, but now need to sell the house (according to the estate agent/solicitors), Corgi cannot supply copies (according to Corgi), GSR cannot duplicate the old Corgi certificate (According to GSR), and building control say they dont need to get involved as the completed Benchmark will suffice as proof of compliance as stated on the front cover of the Benchmark book? Trying not to thread wander here, but it is relative to the OP.

I would be arguing that. Benchmark is not a proof of compliance. It is a report of how the appliance was commissioned and the results at that time. The new benchmark certificates do have a space for notification number, but the benchmark does not prove it was notified. Building control should hold a record, and at a cost should be able to supply a duplicate certificate.

Thats like saying if you fill in the benchmark you don't need to notify. This as we all know is wrong.

 

[Derek Hardman]

Building control have no record according to them, it was registered just before the changeover, we will see what happens next when the customer has let rip into whoever owes an explanation, I only know it wont be me due to proof of register payment

 

[Reza]

How can it be on the right or wrong track though? It is guidance for current regulation. Therefore they can only clarify some misconception surrounding the requirements for registration. This is why you cannot enforce boiler sales to registered engineers only. It would be like saying you cannot buy a light switch from b and q unless your a registered electrician.

its unlikely the regulations will change any time soon. It is possible to introduce tougher penalties for breach of building control notification though.

Unlikely but not impossible. If I'm not wrong, you too can see the shortfalls and contradictory nature of these rules, which we are now bringing to the attention of the powers that be.

 

[Nostrum]

Unlikely but not impossible. If I'm not wrong, you too can see the shortfalls and contradictory nature of these rules, which we are now bringing to the attention of the powers that be.

Its a typical regulation that needs to be dissected word by word for it to make sense, and yet on the other hand the word competent is about a vague as they come! So yes I agree with you in that sense. Actually though, the current guidance makes it clearer for the worse in my opinion. Anyone reading that will now know they can have a go. Over confidence is competence in the eyes of a fool.

i think if you want to push to make change though, which I support, you should aim to change the notification enforcement. This is something which could apply to other fuels such as oil and solid fuel, also electrical work etc.

all the trades are suffering at the hands of DIY bodgers and unregistered cowboys. If you can push for something similar to as I described in the previous posts you could rally up a petition covering many trades and quite easily get signatures from tens of thousands of tradesmen. Get all the trade bodies working together to increase awareness on the importance of notification. They have a vested interest in this as it promotes more business for them.

just to add: this would allow skilled DIYers to carry out work in their homes, but they would then have to pay for an inspection (as they should now anyway) at least then the safety of the installation could be assessed.