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As I've said proceed with your plans and see how it develops you didn't originally state that you are extending two storey at the rear of your property as well as the side ? So you will need full planning due to the size you are increasing the property your neighbours may have taken offence to this ? .The coming and going of builders and the noise generated for months and months may be a factor ? As to the soil pipe In my opinion you have little to no chance of getting that moved without a long costly legal argument and most likely a major fall out with your neighbours so tread carefully with that . Kop
I didn't mention the back extension to begin with as it wasn't necessarily plrelated to the pipe. We had discussed the extension with them for a few times in the past, we have been very friendly with them over the years, I do a regular favour for them too, and they always assured us they would have no objections, assured us everything would be fine, we had explained what we were going to do, so you can imagine how much of a shock it was to see their objections 😔 it has been a massive blow and has made us feel so shocked that they could do that. Tell us it was all OK, knowing how much plans and approval can cost, it's been very upsetting. My husband and I are so bewildered by the fact that they have suddenly decided to act this way. This is why I wanted to know our rights with the pipe so if it shouldn't be there we can point it out if we need to appeal. Plus as mentioned it's just not nice to have there in general. We arent trying to be vindictive in any way as neither of us want any arguments, so far they've avoided us since finding out about objections.
 
I'm not sure that the neighbours wall is the actual divide between your properties. If they have a roof and gutters above then the vertical drop from these may be the dividing line and in which case the pipe would be in their property

BTW, gaining planning doesn't give you rights actually to build and if access is required from their property , they can decide NOT to permit you or your contractors onto their land - and if this is the case there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it
There's nothing that goes in to their property at all if we build, no access needed, and all planning has been made with leaving them all the room they ever need to repair. We were fully respectful of everything when planning.
The wall of their house is the boundary line, we have the land ordinance that shows its our land right up to the wall of their house
 
Hi, No, I get it - you aren't ordering them: OZ plumber seemed to suggest you should do this and my disagreement was with his suggestion and not what you had written.

You'll note that if their waste pipe encroaches on your land, so does their rainwater gutter!

I doubt the pipe will prevent you gaining planning permission. Even if the pipe is on your land, I would imagine (at worst) you'll have to re-route it as others have suggested. Having sat through a few planning meetings (they can be quite amusing), I've seen it before where a neighbour has raised a large number of possible objections to a development - none of which were valid planning issues - and where the development has been approved nonetheless. Sometimes neighbours get funny if you contact the planning office before discussing with them, but some people aren't worth discussing with and will object for the sake of it. The planning committee will be used to this sort of thing, so don't let it put you off.

As far as your neighbour's objection is concerned, try to let them see that you take their objection as their doing their civic duty in informing the planning office of all circumstances they feel relate to your proposed development and, after all, it is the planning office that makes the decision. In theory (not always how it works, mind, especially when the number of objections becomes a political force), the planning office should ALWAYS block an unsuitable development even if the neighbours like it, just as they should ALWAYS allow a suitable development that a neighbour objects to.

As far as the presence of an easement or not being noted on the deeds is concerned, I'm not sure how that would apply to services of this nature, otherwise my neighbour could insist that my water supply pipe (under their garden since at least 1961 and which neither of us knows the exact route of) be removed (there must be millions of similar cases), which makes little sense in the light of a right obviously acquired by prescription if not by any other mechanism. The answer is, if this is going to become an issue, you need legal advice (tip: you may well have a free legal advice helpline included in your home insurance policy or trade union menbership).

With regard to a potential toilet waste leak, well, it's obvious your neighbours must maintain that pipe so that it does not leak. Obviously the neighbouring roof must also be maintained. A leak is possible in the same way as it is possible that a slate could fall off their roof - it should not happen, but the fact that it could happen if something went wrong is not a reason to remove that part of the building.

Now you mention a smell, however, the question is whether is comes from the open vent above the roof (which could be normal if that's the only open vent which serves several houses including possibly yours: your drains may well be interdependent) or whether the horizontal pipe is leaking. If, as I assume, the first time you mentioned the possibility of a leak to your neighbours is after you started considering building where the pipe now is, this is unfortunate: the neighbours may now think you're making the whole thing up which is most unfortunate. It may be worth a call to your council's Environmental Health officer for suggestions.
No we mentioned the leak back at the start of the year before plans were even submitted. There's nothing to make us out to be like we are being funny due to the plans being objected to. We haven't even spoken to them since they put objections in. As mentioned on another reply we had consulted them about out extension alot over last few years, they assured us they had no objections then threw all these objections in when submitted. Has completely shocked us. Which is why I want to be prepared should we have plans refused incase we need to appeal
 
Thank you so much for all replies so far, it's greatly appreciated. I think best thing for me to do will be to contact environmental health for advice and to just see how plans go
 
I very much doubt you will be turned down totally to extend your home it may need to be altered slightly to satisfy planning , your neighbours have made improvements so I very much doubt that you will be denied, the rift between yourselves and the neighbours will only get worse if you go down the the route of finding fault with their property, I would concentrate on achieving the best result possible for you and your family, the neighbours are probably slightly embarrassed by the objections they have made and as your finding the relationship has broken down, only you can make or at least try to improve this maybe little steps are best a good morning here a hello there just to start a little bit of a raport once they know you're not angry you may find they will come round slightly ? it's better to try and be civil , polite even if you keep them at arms length in the future.

Good luck Regards kop
 
No we mentioned the leak back at the start of the year before plans were even submitted. There's nothing to make us out to be like we are being funny due to the plans being objected to.
Agree but the question is whether the neighbours see it like that. I don't know what you're thinking and I don't pretend to know, but some people don't know what you are thinking but might believe they do. Anyway, good luck, and I hope you manage to get this matter resolved. Regards, Ric.
 

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