Ideal amount of solder in a joint

[Stanios]

If you are like me and find it hard to grasp how much solder is enough watch this video which also made me realise I have been mispronouncing the very word all these years!

[video=youtube;kTak6vAaSjY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTak6vAaSjY[/video]

 

[Darren Jackson]

So it's pronounced sodder then! 31 yrs down the drain blinking college lectures told me wrong...next they'll be telling me it's zee not zed...he..he..

 

[Chalked]

Didn't know they were capilry fittings

 

[newcastle phill]

Ive never managed to do a joint with soda.

But have done quite a few joints with soda and gin [emoji106]

 

[joni os]

At local A&E unit, Iodine gets various pronunciations but Hunt is always pronounced with a "C".

 

[newcastle phill]

Chunt ???

 

[Last Plumber]

Well the Kermit voice over artist's lamp is too hot and he sodders from the top is all i've learnt.

I was always taught to sodder from the bottom of a fitting so you can see the capillary action has worked correctly.

Did anyone else get taught that ?

 

[Stanios]

Well the Kermit voice over artist's lamp is too hot and he sodders from the top is all i've learnt.

I was always taught to sodder from the bottom of a fitting so you can see the capillary action has worked correctly.

Did anyone else get taught that ?

As an apprentice my job was to wire wool the **** out of every single soldered fitting, never got as far as soddering anything myself though

 

[newcastle phill]

Yeh ive heard from the bottom too.
Tbh if the heat is right it hardly matters as a lot of the time we all solder from whatever angle we can get in from lol

 

[Last Plumber]

Yeh ive heard from the bottom too.
Tbh if the heat is right it hardly matters as a lot of the time we all solder from whatever angle we can get in from lol

So true but if I were demonstrating it on a video and in a vice I might add that bit in for the sake of it.

 

[Captain.rick]

:smile: hahaha sodder

 

[oz-plumber]

Chunt ???

No Phill,

I think Joni meant to remove the 'H' entirely.

Or.. if you prefer to keep it in ... it's a silent 'H'

 

[Stigster]

Yeh ive heard from the bottom too.
Tbh if the heat is right it hardly matters as a lot of the time we all solder from whatever angle we can get in from lol

I'll add solder on the opposite side to which I apply the heat as most situations allow. Where you can't do that you just know by experience that you've done it right anyway.

I am often amazed at the song and dance some apprentices (and a few plumbers) make when soldering small bore fittings. They wave the torch around, move around the fitting changing their stance, adding too much solder then going back at it with the blowlamp and adding a bit more solder then it goes black. I forgot to say they've put so much flux on the pipe and in the fitting (don't flux the fittings!) that there is flux pouring out and dripping on the floor followed by blobs of solder.

I have to unteach and retrain them so often. It's possible to teach an 8 year old child to solder properly so I don't understand why people make such a meal of it.

Lastly my pet hate is watching people add more solder when they are using a Yorkshire fitting. If you are doing that then why even bother spending more money on Yorkshires when you are endfeeding anyway? It makes no sense.

 

[Stigster]

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[newcastle phill]

Silly chunt lol...

Wow what a smelly Chunt you have...

Could have lots of fun with that

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I'll add solder on the opposite side to which I apply the heat as most situations allow. Where you can't do that you just know by experience that you've done it right anyway.

I am often amazed at the song and dance some apprentices (and a few plumbers) make when soldering small bore fittings. They wave the torch around, move around the fitting changing their stance, adding too much solder then going back at it with the blowlamp and adding a bit more solder then it goes black. I forgot to say they've put so much flux on the pipe and in the fitting (don't flux the fittings!) that there is flux pouring out and dripping on the floor followed by blobs of solder.

I have to unteach and retrain them so often. It's possible to teach an 8 year old child to solder properly so I don't understand why people make such a meal of it.

Lastly my pet hate is watching people add more solder when they are using a Yorkshire fitting. If you are doing that then why even bother spending more money on Yorkshires when you are endfeeding anyway? It makes no sense.

+1 heat from Front add solder from the back til you see it on the front

 

[Stanios]

Lastly my pet hate is watching people add more solder when they are using a Yorkshire fitting. If you are doing that then why even bother spending more money on Yorkshires when you are endfeeding anyway? It makes no sense.

Had quite a few yorkshire fittings where internal solder had fallen off! Unless you methodically check its there rather be safe than sorry

 

[Stigster]

Had quite a few yorkshire fittings where internal solder had fallen off! Unless you methodically check its there rather be safe than sorry

Why wouldn't you just spend approximately half the price on fittings and just buy end feed? If you do a lot of copper work the money adds up over a year.

 

[Stanios]

Why wouldn't you just spend approximately half the price on fittings and just buy end feed? If you do a lot of copper work the money adds up over a year.

I never bought them in my life ones I used customers bought

 

[Stigster]

That's understandable then. If you are provided with them, fair enough.

 

[Stanios]

That's understandable then. If you are provided with them, fair enough.

I'm sure you are familiar with the type of customer who wants to buy everything him/herself

 

[REDSAW]

i read somewhere (think it was copper guild?)
15mm pipe needs 15mm 3.5 solder wire. 22mm = 22mm!

i lay my solder across the joint until it melts and runs and thats it !!

 

[jaydebruyne]

I've tried various ways to try and perfect my soldering.. and so far, the best method I now use is to heat the fitting and solder from back of joint til I see it come round the front. If it's a vertical fitting, I usually feed from top at the back, keep heating the fitting til I see it run a ring at the bottom of the fitting.

If it's under the floor I usually solder the **** out of all fittings lol

 

[Best]

I can never understand why a lot of plumbers heat the fittings with powerful flame until they go black? Only tarnishes the copper preventing solder joining and burns the flux away and runs solder out of the fittings.
The fitting will have soldered fully with just a slight extra heat just beyond when you see solder melting and flowing around the joint. I used butane gas for years on 15mm up to 28mm soldering and it normally was plenty of power, so propane powered Surefire 2 torches many now use, including myself, should be more than enough to overheat an average joint if not careful.
I put my hands up to admit my method of soldering is to flux the pipe but also very slight smear on inside of fitting. I also slightly overheat the fitting (as definitely want to avoid under heating it) and I add solder to any Yorkshire fittings as it confirms the whole joint is soldered and won't do any harm, especially if some of the fittings solder has run out while heating. I prefer end feed for most jobs though.

 

[Stigster]

I'm sure you are familiar with the type of customer who wants to buy everything him/herself

Yes. It's usually a load of stuff from Hong Kong that they found on Ebay.