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Well they have been around since the 1950's so it's about time they had a crack of the whip before we leave the EU in 2025.Heat pumps will be the future of heating.
Well they have been around since the 1950's so it's about time they had a crack of the whip before we leave the EU in 2025.
The concept is to use spare renewable energy to generate hydrogen and store it.against times when renewables cannot deliver ..this is better than building loads of big batteries or another electric mountain in wales or scotland ..centralheatkingCompletely agree, hydrogen is far to dangerous as a 100% alternative. Even at a lesser mixture, the carbon footprint will be to high to generate on a massive scale. As an island the U.K. is generating more and more windborne electrickery.
Is there such thing as ‘spare’ energy, if so why do we import so much from the French etc?
Hmm. Let's look at some facts, not that they would influence govt in any way shape or form...
The 'problem' is pollution. The 'answer' is less pollution.
Less pollution can only be achieved by two means:
- a fuel that pollutes less
- consume less
Currently, every single target could be achieved by doing one single thing - insulate UK homes. At present, UK homes are more like collendars than buckets. If we took the cost to govt of changing the supply infrastructure and used it to pay for mandatory home insulation, and vitally checked performance using thermal imaging of every one, then there would be no need to do anything else. Well, not for a long time.
What would then also happen is that boiler sizes would plummet meaning that we could move to lower temp distribution and into proper condensing mode increasing effeciency even further.
If we then added the decent cooled PV panels (this makes PV output increase hugely and gives a great by product of preheating DHW) we would then drop consumption even lower.
It's not difficult, it doesn't need new tech and could be achieved in just 5-6 years. All it needs is joined up thinking. We're fecked then!!!
The most important aspect of any coherent energy policy is a realistic level playing field devoid of selective taxation andHmm. Let's look at some facts, not that they would influence govt in any way shape or form...
The 'problem' is pollution. The 'answer' is less pollution.
Less pollution can only be achieved by two means:
- a fuel that pollutes less
- consume less
Currently, every single target could be achieved by doing one single thing - insulate UK homes. At present, UK homes are more like collendars than buckets. If we took the cost to govt of changing the supply infrastructure and used it to pay for mandatory home insulation, and vitally checked performance using thermal imaging of every one, then there would be no need to do anything else. Well, not for a long time.
What would then also happen is that boiler sizes would plummet meaning that we could move to lower temp distribution and into proper condensing mode increasing effeciency even further.
If we then added the decent cooled PV panels (this makes PV output increase hugely and gives a great by product of preheating DHW) we would then drop consumption even lower.
It's not difficult, it doesn't need new tech and could be achieved in just 5-6 years. All it needs is joined up thinking. We're fecked then!!!
The most important aspect of any coherent energy policy is a realistic level playing field devoid of selective taxation and
targeted subsidy ...its nuts that I subsidise my neighbours panels etc
Rob Foster
Just can't understand how the UK will combat global warming, or cyclical warming (albeit accelerated by humanity) when you have the usa, China, India etc pumping out billions and billions of tons of co2.
China have already started reducing their pollution - although no one reports it. They aim to be THE least polluting industrial nation on the planet. They are not messing around either. The measures put in place will close many businesses OR everything WE buy, as its all made there, will very soon go up considerably in price.
Unlike here, no business in China will be given a choice, or be able to opt out, or do BS things like carbon offset. When they do somethng they do it properly not just fanny about around the edges.
I agree with you. However it will happen as with solar voltaics with the none adopters paying a levy...hidden...to subsidise the adopters. The neighbour without the panels paying the neighbour oppositeSlightly off topic.
Last year I quoted a job for a facility that was going to be 'Green'.
UFH, fan coils and domestic hot water.
All solar tubes on the roof with hot water stored in buffer tanks
The whole system was to be backed up by a 35 kW boiler.
After a few meetings regarding 'Cost Reduction', the outcome was to use the 35 kW boiler for heating and Rinnai gas instantaneous hot water units for domestic hot water.
Saved the Council well over 100 k.
Until so-called 'Green Energy, becomes affordable, then it will be only available to Governments and wealthy people.
As far as I am concerned, with the cost of 'Green Energy' and the lifetime expectancy of the Green Products, you will never receive a financial benefit ( re-coup your initial costs ) from the Green products installed.
Perhaps what we need is to remove commerce from the equation? For example, a number of govts get together to design & build their own kit which is then sold on to consumers at cost plus.
Not only would the tech march forward but take up would improve 10-100 fold.
Couldn't agree more, leaving the solving problems of this scale "to the market" will never work imo, there's a reason the Chinese are currently flying ahead of us on this front.
Seems to me that the far from 'free market' is the root cause of just about all of our problems. The greedy, the manipulative, the self interested control just about all of it but have the naked audacity to tell us we do. #TakinThePiss
China have already started reducing their pollution - although no one reports it. They aim to be THE least polluting industrial nation on the planet. They are not messing around either. The measures put in place will close many businesses OR everything WE buy, as its all made there, will very soon go up considerably in price.
Unlike here, no business in China will be given a choice, or be able to opt out, or do BS things like carbon offset. When they do somethng they do it properly not just fanny about around the edges.
Makes total sense, we have a gas national grid which is worth billions, why on earth literally devalue it to nothing, whilst increasing the strain on the electricity grid requiring shed loads of investment!
Hydrogen is a win win, a) current gas engineers wouldn't loose their jobs and would just need some extra training b) if we use renewables as electricity source for hydrogen generation, it can be used to smooth out the renewables supply peaks & troughs, must be cheaper to store hydrogen than buy loads of batteries! c) its more effective than heat source pumps imo in most real life uk situations d) it helps reduce strain on electricity grid e) we still have a valuable gas national grid...
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