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I got called out to a leaking copper central heating return pipe. The customer thought the leak was coming from the soldered joint, but I quickly realised that the copper was pin holed most likely due to acidic flux being left on the pipe.
It takes seconds to wipe off excess flux. Those that don't then the consequences of this are the holes pictured in the pipe below.
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Its amazing how often I see the signs of this, as you say its really not hard or time consuming to do!

Was also particularly unimpressed at training centre last month to find out that the tutor doing the pipework classes for those with no plumbing background was teaching them to a) brush flux onto the joint straight after soldering it (not good to suddenly cool it if nothing else!) b) hadn't taught them to wipe it off afterwards.
 
I have recently completed a level 2 diploma in one of those centres and yes they taught the same bad technique (I tend to pay close attention to seasoned plumbers that do it the right way) one of the things I have noticed is there are right ways to do things and wrong, and it's up to us to work out which is which.
 
and that comes down to the individual - having knowledge and pride in one's work are quite different things, I intend to have both.
Don’t agree, if I am having pride in what I am doing you’ll surely have good workmanship. Haven’t meat anyone yet who was committing to the work and loved doing what he was doing and delivered bad jobs.
 
The other thing about this pipework, that it could also have corroded from the inside too. If there's that amount of excessive flux on the outside of the pipe, I can only imagine what the inside is like.
 
The other thing about this pipework, that it could also have corroded from the inside too. If there's that amount of excessive flux on the outside of the pipe, I can only imagine what the inside is like.
Wouldn`t it get flushed away.
 
Cool any joint too quickly and it's in danger of cracking

That’s an absolute load of old tripe. I have soldered 100’s of thousands of fittings over my career and damp/ wet rag cooled soldered immediately after soldering.... the prelude to wiping the joints of flux. The key is to not just fly in with to much pressure!! I lightly dab the damp/ wet cloth on to pipe, until it solidifies fully and then hand wrap cloth to cool further and clean.
I have spent many years contracting and this is absolutely necessary to work at speed. I can hand on heart say, I’ve probably only had 20/30 soldered joint leaks over my career... and that’s probably due to rushing and not fluxing enough.
 
That’s an absolute load of old tripe. I have soldered 100’s of thousands of fittings over my career and damp/ wet rag cooled soldered immediately after soldering./QUOTE]
Not according to the manufacturers of soldered fittings, i.e Yorkshire etc.
If people read and followed the manufacturers instructions from everything from Speed fit to Yorkies, then there would be fewer failures.
I've been a plumber since 1980 and can count the number of leaks on one hand from soldering.
 

I suppose manufacturers have to put that as a guide for the lesser experienced, but us pro’s know the limitations of our methods.
And well done... 5 or less failures over 39 years, good on you! My comment wasn’t suppose to be a ***** measuring statement, just to make it clear they’re guidelines are sometimes not quite true.

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I think you're both right. If you wipe the joint when it is already too cool you can end up with a bad joint. I make sure that when I wip my joints there is still enough heat that the solder is fluid and isn't hardening as I am wiping. Sometimes I wipe with the flux brush, sometimes a rag. I always clean off the flux after while the pipe is still warm with a wet rag.

You guys might not need it because you have those fittings with the solder rings built in, but recently I tried tinning flux for the first time and it is amazing. We use soldered on shut off valves below fixtures and they have a thin chrome tube, it's very easy to burn the flux in the joint on those. With the tinning flux that problem is gone.
 
No it stays active in the system, but it will eventually degrade over time. It's best to flush it out of new pipework before use.

I had to repipe the cold water services of a whole school cos even mains pressure hadn't flushed it out. It started literally close to the supply and then over a period of weeks got peppered with INTERNAL leaks as dozens of smaller blobs of flux has stuck to the internal walls and been pushed down the pipe. That was the point I switched perm to heat activated flux cos I realised that, with the best will in the world, one could never clean it all out - especial in remedial works.:(
 
That’s an absolute load of old tripe. I have soldered 100’s of thousands of fittings over my career and damp/ wet rag cooled soldered immediately after soldering.. the prelude to wiping the joints of flux. The key is to not just fly in with to much pressure!! I lightly dab the damp/ wet cloth on to pipe, until it solidifies fully and then hand wrap cloth to cool further and clean.
I have spent many years contracting and this is absolutely necessary to work at speed. I can hand on heart say, I’ve probably only had 20/30 soldered joint leaks over my career... and that’s probably due to rushing and not fluxing enough.

To be fair, you've just written it's not a load of tripe!

He specifically said "too quickly" and you agree by doing it slowly. You are in VIOLENT agreement ;):confused::rolleyes:
 
I had to repipe the cold water services of a whole school cos even mains pressure hadn't flushed it out. It started literally close to the supply and then over a period of weeks got peppered with INTERNAL leaks as dozens of smaller blobs of flux has stuck to the internal walls and been pushed down the pipe. That was the point I switched perm to heat activated flux cos I realised that, with the best will in the world, one could never clean it all out - especial in remedial works.:(

Haven't come across heat activated flux before, sounds good, are they any downsides to it compared to using traditional flux?
 
The one I settled on is La-Co.

So far as I can tell, it's always flushed out, doesn't stick like the proverbial to a blanket on the inside of pipes and simply works! Like any change it takes a little getting used, to but once you've a bit of experience it's perfectly fine.

Being a tad anal, I always properly cleaned whatever I was soldering. ;)
 
I use laco aswell and I wipe any old pipe joints with flux just to make them shine
 
I must say that I'm trying to scale down the use of a flame on jobs to the point of almost eliminating it completely. This was the reason for my recent interest and subsequent purchase of press fitting kit. There will always be a time when solder will be required, but I'm a big fan of press fitting now and the copper push fit systems like Tectite.
 

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