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  1. Bogart

    Bogart Active Member

    How long has it been mandatory to install a fire valve in the fuel line when installing a new boiler to comply with Part J?
    Now could someone hazard a guess as to roughly how long to do the following.
    1 Remove an old oil fired boiler.
    2 Replace with a new oil fired boiler
    3 Install a 3m remote fire valve
    4. Tidy up afterwards.

    I am asking this as have received a quote for the above work. Now 2 yrs ago I received a quote from the same firm for the exact same job, minus the fire valve, when I was told would be completed in a day. Now it is going to take 3 days!
     
  2. Riley

    Riley S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Could I suggest you get two more quotes
     
  3. scott_d

    scott_d Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    1 day for 6 people and 3 days for 2 people?
     
  4. Stigster

    Stigster Plumber

    I first did my OFTEC in 2007 and it was a requirement then and long before that too I imagine. The oldest boilers I worked on were more than 20 years old in 2007 and they always had a fire valve too, usually an old type with a low melting point metal holding them open designed to melt in fire and close the oil supply. (called a fusible head valve I think)

    More modern designs are of the capillary type with remote probe.

    It's an absolute must, not an optional extra and has been so for "ages".
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM
  5. Bogart

    Bogart Active Member

    I find odd then that my quote of 2 years ago never mentioned it, maybe was included in the quote and not specifically mentioned.
    Am in the process of getting other quotes.
     
  6. Millsy 82

    Millsy 82 Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I suggest you get more people in for quotes as obviously you dont trust this person.

    A couple of possibilities is

    1) he may of been a bit inexperienced at quoting and didnt write everything down and cut his time down to win jobs.

    2) hes realised you need to allow more time to do the jobs properly

    3) maybe he thinks your a time waster as hes been out to price for you twice for the same job so just added an extra day on as twit tax.
     
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  7. Bogart

    Bogart Active Member

    He works for a much bigger concern so does not really affect him if the get the job or not so points 1 and 2 possibly not valid. On point 3 they know why nothing has happened in 2 years and are okay with it
    so do not thing they have loaded it intentionally.
     
  8. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber

    A job like that could take at least one day and perhaps 3 days depending on how difficult each task is.
    I would think minimum 2 days not including a powerflush.
     
  9. Riley

    Riley S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I think it’s just unrealistic expectation
     
  10. SimonG

    SimonG Trusted Plumber

    On my own two days.
    Cleaner in for two weeks before change.

    All depends on the job. Flueing, condensate etc.
     
  11. Bogart

    Bogart Active Member

    Have not got around to asking what they intend to do with the condensate. Will need a soakaway as not on mains drainage.
     
  12. Millsy 82

    Millsy 82 Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I'm not sure it wouldnt affect him as I dont think his boss will look at it and go ah well maybe next time.

    I can just imagine the bosses at British gas saying to their sales men oh it doesn't matter if we get the installs or not and we wont sack you if you dont make so many sales.
     
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  13. Stigster

    Stigster Plumber

    That's sorted easily enough with a ready made soakaway jobbie.
     
  14. Riley

    Riley S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Lime clippings soakaway
     
  15. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber

    Can waste a few hours though with some. Took me about 4 hours to do all the digging etc on one job.
     
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