CKR 1 new and existing installs

[JTplumbingservices]

guys, can anyone clarify this for me on here so I can tell my boss or should I phone gas safe for clarity.
New legislation states I have to wait 6 months from passing my CCN1 before I can do CKR1.
1- In the meantime can I remove and reconnect existing cookers at the bayonet?
2 - Can I install a new cooker if someone with CKR1 comes to check and commission it and fill in any necessary documents?
Cheers

 

[Aire]

I would say no to number 1, because you don't have the qualification you can't touch them or do any work on them. Number 2 I would say you can install it but technically you would require to be supervised at all times while working on it.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

I would say no to number 1, because you don't have the qualification you can't touch them or do any work on them. Number 2 I would say you can install it but technically you would require to be supervised at all times while working on it.

That’s what I thought to be honest mate but I just wanted to be sure

 

[Darren Jackson]

Anyone can remove a cooker from the bayonet, or plug a new cooker into a bayonet, you do not have to be a GSR for this as it is not a fixed appliance. Daft I know as how are you supposed to test it for leaks, gas rate it or test its safety devices & controls' if you are not allowed to work on it without CKR1.

 

[snowhead]

Anyone can remove a cooker from the bayonet, or plug a new cooker into a bayonet,

Some thoughts on this;

If you own the cooker you can plug the bayonet in, but if you are being employed to do it then you need to be qualified.
As Darren suggested, if it's new it's need commisioning.
If it's used it needs re commisioning.

Looking on the black side, if something goes wrong then where's the blame going to stop?

 

[Aire]

Read technical bulletin 025. It is as snowhead has said, a homeowner can disconnect and reconnect in the same position but if your employed to do so then you must hold the relevant qualifications.

 

[Darren Jackson]

Some thoughts on this;

If you own the cooker you can plug the bayonet in, but if you are being employed to do it then you need to be qualified.
As Darren suggested, if it's new it's need commisioning.
If it's used it needs re commisioning.

Looking on the black side, if something goes wrong then where's the blame going to stop?

Good point snow, being employed to do it is a different set of rules and you have to have the relevant qualifications. Yet still anyone (not employed to do it) can do it. CRAZY WORLD !!!

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Read technical bulletin 025. It is as snowhead has said, a homeowner can disconnect and reconnect in the same position but if your employed to do so then you must hold the relevant qualifications.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Read technical bulletin 025. It is as snowhead has said, a homeowner can disconnect and reconnect in the same position but if your employed to do so then you must hold the relevant qualifications.

That’s crazy
I’d never leave something for a customer to connect !
I’ll just be telling my boss I’m not touching them till I have CKR1

 

[Burger]

Welcome to the headache world of gas work

As Craig has said TB025 you can google this as it’s on hse website - contractors responsibility when when disconnecting and reconnecting gas cooking appliances.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Welcome to the headache world of gas work

As Craig has said TB025 you can google this as it’s on hse website - contractors responsibility when when disconnecting and reconnecting gas cooking appliances.

I know it’s madness.
We done a couple of days cooker training as part of the course as well so I don’t get why I have to wait 6 months to sit it now, but looks like il just have to. It seems like those days could have went toward something in the assessments.

 

[snowhead]

When did the 6 month change.

I thought you had to do any other categories WITHIN 6 months otherwise you had to do Core again.

Glad I've retired and my Commercial ACS has expired.

 

[Darren Jackson]

When did the 6 month change.

I thought you had to do any other categories WITHIN 6 months otherwise you had to do Core again.

Glad I've retired and my Commercial ACS has expired.

It came into force October 2018 snow.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

When did the 6 month change.

I thought you had to do any other categories WITHIN 6 months otherwise you had to do Core again.

Glad I've retired and my Commercial ACS has expired.

Not sure , I phoned my lecturer last week to tell him to book me in for CKR1 and he didmt even know if had changed so must be fairly recently.

It came into force October 2018 snow.

did they give any reason for this change ?

 

[Darren Jackson]

did they give any reason for this change ?

I don't know why but I suspect its to make it harder for people with no gas/plumbing background to do the fast track courses and then just do landlord certs without having any real hands on experience in the real world.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Can’t

I don't know why but I suspect its to make it harder for people with no gas/plumbing background to do the fast track courses and then just do landlord certs without having any real hands on experience in the real world.

Can’t argue with that if that is the reason

 

[Pickwickpick]

I know it’s madness.
We done a couple of days cooker training as part of the course as well so I don’t get why I have to wait 6 months to sit it now, but looks like il just have to. It seems like those days could have went toward something in the assessments.

Was having this discussion in another thread last night, it's really annoying, I missed it by a couple of weeks yet the training centre is charging us the same as those that got cookees & fires as part of the package. So as well as he delay it's an extra 400quid to find.

Our tutors have given us different explanations for it, but it sounds like the official reason is because they're claiming it's too much info for us to absorb in short amount of time. They want to ground is with boilers and be able to catch any incompetence before we're unleashed on riskier fires and cookers. I suppose with the amount of training centres that take the Sod the sector has been overdue tightening up the rules and regs.

 

[Pickwickpick]

I don't know why but I suspect its to make it harder for people with no gas/plumbing background to do the fast track courses and then just do landlord certs without having any real hands on experience in the real world.

That's one of the reasons one of out tutors gavr us

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Was having this discussion in another thread last night, it's really annoying, I missed it by a couple of weeks yet the training centre is charging us the same as those that got cookees & fires as part of the package. So as well as he delay it's an extra 400quid to find.

Our tutors have given us different explanations for it, but it sounds like the official reason is because they're claiming it's too much info for us to absorb in short amount of time. They want to ground is with boilers and be able to catch any incompetence before we're unleashed on riskier fires and cookers. I suppose with the amount of training centres that take the **** the sector has been overdue tightening up the rules and regs.

Luckily I went to a strict place to do mine but there is one place in particular I know of that’s notorious for people who don’t know anything going there and getting passed.
One guy in particular who now runs his own gas company was terminated 3 times where I did mine then went to this other place and passed first time

 

[Pickwickpick]

Luckily I went to a strict place to do mine but there is one place in particular I know of that’s notorious for people who don’t know anything going there and getting passed.
One guy in particular who now runs his own gas company was terminated 3 times where I did mine then went to this other place and passed first time

Yeh same with w

 

[Pickwickpick]

Luckily I went to a strict place to do mine but there is one place in particular I know of that’s notorious for people who don’t know anything going there and getting passed.
One guy in particular who now runs his own gas company was terminated 3 times where I did mine then went to this other place and passed first time

Had a few phone issues whilst trying to reply earlier, doesn't look like I can edit my abortive reply so will try again

Same with me, chose the firm I'm training with based on recommendations off a couple of decent gas engineers. I wanted to makes sure I avoided the dodgy places (shocking how many there are). The tutor we had during the last week of our MLP was telling us they've had to boot out a couple of guys in the last few years who turned up to do their CCN1 reassessment but couldn't even pull a tightness test despite having qualified with one of these dodgy firms and spent 5 years working in the field. I really hope they crack down on it as not fair on those that follow the rules.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Had a few phone issues whilst trying to reply earlier, doesn't look like I can edit my abortive reply so will try again

Same with me, chose the firm I'm training with based on recommendations off a couple of decent gas engineers. I wanted to makes sure I avoided the dodgy places (shocking how many there are). The tutor we had during the last week of our MLP was telling us they've had to boot out a couple of guys in the last few years who turned up to do their CCN1 reassessment but couldn't even pull a tightness test despite having qualified with one of these dodgy firms and spent 5 years working in the field. I really hope they crack down on it as not fair on those that follow the rules.

I think the main reason for these places doing this is to keep their pass mark as high as possible to make them look like a great training centre which is shocking.
My lecturers were great and they would help you if they could see you were struggling with something if they

Had a few phone issues whilst trying to reply earlier, doesn't look like I can edit my abortive reply so will try again

Same with me, chose the firm I'm training with based on recommendations off a couple of decent gas engineers. I wanted to makes sure I avoided the dodgy places (shocking how many there are). The tutor we had during the last week of our MLP was telling us they've had to boot out a couple of guys in the last few years who turned up to do their CCN1 reassessment but couldn't even pull a tightness test despite having qualified with one of these dodgy firms and spent 5 years working in the field. I really hope they crack down on it as not fair on those that follow the rules.

my assessors would never tell you an answer but would guide you along if you were struggling with something if you were on the rite track with it but maybe due to the pressure of the assessments you were just getting mixed up or something, if they thought you just didn’t know it though they wouldn’t help and if you were doing anything unsafe youd be out the door.
Plus they knew from the 8 months at college before the assessments who was good and who weren’t.
I was in myself getting assessed because the other 2 guys didn’t even turn up.

 

[Msjc]

I got a tad screwed because of this. The people i was going to work with has a contract with Vivid and said i couldn't work because i didn't have ck1 and htr1 even though the jobs do not contain these appliances.

I did talk with my test centre and you can get those appliances with core but you have to complete a portfolio with installs and servicing on all types of cookers and fires. With the amount of added portfolio work you may as well just wait the 6 months. But in my case it's back to labouring for 6 months as can't find a job with gas.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

I got a tad screwed because of this. The people i was going to work with has a contract with Vivid and said i couldn't work because i didn't have ck1 and htr1 even though the jobs do not contain these appliances.

I did talk with my test centre and you can get those appliances with core but you have to complete a portfolio with installs and servicing on all types of cookers and fires. With the amount of added portfolio work you may as well just wait the 6 months. But in my case it's back to labouring for 6 months as can't find a job with gas.

So what do you have then ?
I have CENWAT, CPA and HTR off the top of my head, I’ll have to look at my card.
I had to complete a portfolio of 35 boiler jobs including CPA receipts.
It was 35 as I am already a qualified plumber, without that I needed 80 jobs.

 

[Msjc]

So what do you have then ?
I have CENWAT, CPA and HTR off the top of my head, I’ll have to look at my card.
I had to complete a portfolio of 35 boiler jobs including CPA receipts.
It was 35 as I am already a qualified plumber, without that I needed 80 jobs.

I have CCN1 - CPA1 - CENWAT. I had to do 3 installs 6 services or the other way around, along with 3 CP12's. I only had to do what is in the photo.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

I have CCN1 - CPA1 - CENWAT. I had to do 3 installs 6 services or the other way around, along with 3 CP12's. I only had to do what is in the photo.View attachment 36885

Who was the training provider ?
Mine was BPEC

 

[Msjc]

Who was the training provider ?
Mine was BPEC

Same

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Same

Dunno why I needed 35 jobs then and 80 without an SVQ level 3 in plumbing.
It wasn’t easy getting them as our company don’t do much on boilers.

 

[Msjc]

Dunno why I needed 35 jobs then and 80 without an SVQ level 3 in plumbing.
It wasn’t easy getting them as our company don’t do much on boilers.

Think mine was a managed learning programme. Not sure if that's different to what you did.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Think mine was a managed learning programme. Not sure if that's different to what you did.

What’s that ?

 

[Msjc]

What’s that ?

Think its the name given to the gas courses for BPEC. Once completed it allows your to do the portfolio and sit ACS.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

H

Think its the name given to the gas courses for BPEC. Once completed it allows your to do the portfolio and sit ACS.

How many days at college was it ?

 

[Msjc]

H

How many days at college was it ?

I did a fast track course. The little experience you get is mad if you dont have someone to go with full time. I was able to shadow an engineer for 6 months, 5 days a week whilst doing my portfolio. Dad covered my expenses but now owe him back haha.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

I did a fast track course. The little experience you get is mad if you dont have someone to go with full time. I was able to shadow an engineer for 6 months, 5 days a week whilst doing my portfolio. Dad covered my expenses but now owe him back haha.

5 days a week for 6 months ?

 

[Msjc]

5 days a week for 6 months ?

Course was 5 a days a week for 5weeks, 2 pipe skills and then 3 gas stuff. Has since been changed to 7 weeks. I wouldn't recommend it unless you have an engineer to shadow as the experience taught is not enough to be competent. I just chose to go with my engineer for longer than needed to be competent.