Maybe a tad too much !

NickH · Feb 12, 2011

Found this a few under a customers floor a few months back, it was loft conversion done VERY badly. There was shower cubicle fitted tight under the sloping ceiling with the tray up on blocks, when my mate stood in it and shut the door it jammed his head against the ceiling, absolutely pi**ed ourselves.

Billy Bob Bob · Feb 12, 2011

thats terrible and dangerous work

justlead1 · Feb 12, 2011

As well as chopping the, what was the ceiling joist away. It looks like they have just added 4"x2" to the truss to try and comply to B.Regs. ?
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hydrotherm · Feb 12, 2011

How do these people continue to get work , and how do they sleep at night.

dontknowitall · Feb 12, 2011

Even I can see what's wrong here!!

Out of interest, has anyone come across a house collapse (or partial collapse) due to cutting out too much of joists?

I sometimes feel that although the rules are there for good reason, the tolerances are given to cover the rule makers in case of suing as opposed to how much strength a joist has when it's chopped about. I know this is illegal but I'd have thought that chopping 4"-6" width to a depth of under half out of a joist ain't going to pull the house down. (It's not something I would do either without consultation with a structural engineer - saying this to save on the flak!)

Perhaps I'm missing a point here?

BenC · Feb 13, 2011

dontknowitall said:
Even I can see what's wrong here!!

Out of interest, has anyone come across a house collapse (or partial collapse) due to cutting out too much of joists?

I sometimes feel that although the rules are there for good reason, the tolerances are given to cover the rule makers in case of suing as opposed to how much strength a joist has when it's chopped about. I know this is illegal but I'd have thought that chopping 4"-6" width to a depth of under half out of a joist ain't going to pull the house down. (It's not something I would do either without consultation with a structural engineer - saying this to save on the flak!)

Perhaps I'm missing a point here?

no it wouldnt pull a house down as its near a wall but if it was say in the middle of a house it would be alot worse, still wouldnt pull a house down but but the way that joist has been cut you may aswell have a 2x1 in its place. just the possibility of it snapping and the florr having a bounce to it,

hope that makes some sort of sense as ive been to the pub and cant quite focus on the screen properly

markproperjob · Feb 13, 2011

whoops!
now im still open to learning after over 20 yrs in this game, but thats not right is it??

Bodd · Feb 13, 2011

dontknowitall said:
Even I can see what's wrong here!!

Out of interest, has anyone come across a house collapse (or partial collapse) due to cutting out too much of joists?

I sometimes feel that although the rules are there for good reason, the tolerances are given to cover the rule makers in case of suing as opposed to how much strength a joist has when it's chopped about. I know this is illegal but I'd have thought that chopping 4"-6" width to a depth of under half out of a joist ain't going to pull the house down. (It's not something I would do either without consultation with a structural engineer - saying this to save on the flak!)

Perhaps I'm missing a point here?

I'm sure it wont make a diffrence, as I would have thought like pricing a job, you go over the top to cover your ars.

Not that I have seen this bad but I have seen some butchuring more regular than should be.

The Problem is, we go to a customers house and say it can't be done. Some one else comes along a says it can be done. The customer only wants to hear it can be done.

dontknowitall · Feb 13, 2011

Thanks for those thoughts. I'm not going to start pulling houses to pieces and do my best to stick within the rules (mainly using common sense if that's allowed these days). I was just asking out of interest.

Maybe a tad too much !

NickH

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